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Angry Bird Rios
Joined: 15 Sep 2011
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 Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: Utah undie run |
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I wonder if the Church is against gay plural marriage.
Thousands run in underwear to protest Utah laws
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) � Thousands of people stripped to their underwear and ran through Salt Lake City to protest what they called the "uptight" laws of Utah.
Undie Run organizer Nate Porter says the goal of the event Saturday was to organize people frustrated by the conservative nature of the state's politics.
Nudity was prohibited by organizers. Participants donned bras, panties, nightgowns, swimwear or colorful boxer shorts � and some added political messages by expressing support for causes like gay marriage on their chests, backs or legs.
Salt Lake City is the home of the Mormon church, which is a vocal opponent of gay marriage.
Porter estimates 3,000 people participated in the run, which began in downtown Salt Lake City and circled past the state Capitol building about a mile away.
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| You're displaying your ignorance. The LDS church is against plural marriage and has been for over a hundred years. |
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Angry Bird Rios
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Wait a minute. You seriously thought that I, knowing the Church is against gay marriage, believed they would instead condone gay plural marriage, and I'm the ignorant one???
You're also displaying your lack of sense of humor. I suppose Dave's needs a tongue-in-cheek icon.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Its okay, ba. Rip on the Mormons. At least I support you this time. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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You know, back in the day, people would do things like publish newsletters, hold town hall meetings, and deliver public speeches and conduct charitable and service-rendering works as a way of working to expand freedom.
Now we strip to our underwear.
Sorry, but maybe that's an indicator that you can't really handle freedom or are ill prepared for more freedom. The greater your freedom, the greater your responsibility.
That's not freedom, that's anarchistic-hedonism.
This is like black people arguing for more freedom during the 60s by doing a minstrel show. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
You know, back in the day, people would do things like publish newsletters, hold town hall meetings, and deliver public speeches and conduct charitable and service-rendering works as a way of working to expand freedom.
Now we strip to our underwear.
Sorry, but maybe that's an indicator that you can't really handle freedom or are ill prepared for more freedom. The greater your freedom, the greater your responsibility.
That's not freedom, that's anarchistic-hedonism.
This is like black people arguing for more freedom during the 60s by doing a minstrel show. |
You're sounding pretty old there. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
You know, back in the day, people would do things like publish newsletters, hold town hall meetings, and deliver public speeches and conduct charitable and service-rendering works as a way of working to expand freedom.
Now we strip to our underwear.
Sorry, but maybe that's an indicator that you can't really handle freedom or are ill prepared for more freedom. The greater your freedom, the greater your responsibility.
That's not freedom, that's anarchistic-hedonism.
This is like black people arguing for more freedom during the 60s by doing a minstrel show. |
You're sounding pretty old there. |
I don't care, its pathetic how far things have fallen. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
You know, back in the day, people would do things like publish newsletters, hold town hall meetings, and deliver public speeches and conduct charitable and service-rendering works as a way of working to expand freedom.
Now we strip to our underwear.
Sorry, but maybe that's an indicator that you can't really handle freedom or are ill prepared for more freedom. The greater your freedom, the greater your responsibility.
That's not freedom, that's anarchistic-hedonism.
This is like black people arguing for more freedom during the 60s by doing a minstrel show. |
You're sounding pretty old there. |
I don't care, its pathetic how far things have fallen. |
And heaven forbid if they step on old man Rail's yard. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Explain to me how running in your undies does anything to promote the cause of freedom or make you look like a worthwhile member of society.
Oh right, I should just chill out and poke more smot and then I'd understand. 
Put it this way, if you can't take the time to articulate your cause and present it in a matter befitting someone with, I don't know, a middle school level of education, then your cause is probably nonsense.
Seriously, I think I saw this bid to express someone's freedom done once back in the first grade. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Explain to me how running in your undies does anything to promote the cause of freedom or make you look like a worthwhile member of society.
Oh right, I should just chill out and poke more smot and then I'd understand.
Put it this way, if you can't take the time to articulate your cause and present it in a matter befitting someone with, I don't know, a middle school level of education, then your cause is probably nonsense.
Seriously, I think I saw this bid to express someone's freedom done once back in the first grade. |
Because it's an effective way to get noticed.... if you don't get noticed than what point have you made? I would personally never do it, but as a strategy to get attention to your cause it's not a bad idea. Before this, I know Utah was conservative, but now I'm thinking about it more. If you wrote a letter to the editor, then whatever who cares, or even reads it. I don't know what poking smot is, but you should probably chill out some more instead of always hearkening back to the good old days and expressing some sort of moral outrage and condescension as your knee jerk reaction. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Explain to me how running in your undies does anything to promote the cause of freedom or make you look like a worthwhile member of society.
Oh right, I should just chill out and poke more smot and then I'd understand.
Put it this way, if you can't take the time to articulate your cause and present it in a matter befitting someone with, I don't know, a middle school level of education, then your cause is probably nonsense.
Seriously, I think I saw this bid to express someone's freedom done once back in the first grade. |
Because it's an effective way to get noticed.... if you don't get noticed than what point have you made? I would personally never do it, but as a strategy to get attention to your cause it's not a bad idea. Before this, I know Utah was conservative, but now I'm thinking about it more. If you wrote a letter to the editor, then whatever who cares, or even reads it. I don't know what poking smot is, but you should probably chill out some more instead of always hearkening back to the good old days and expressing some sort of moral outrage and condescension as your knee jerk reaction. |
Or maybe those idiots should put their clothes on and actually try to express their viewpoint to me as though I'm an adult with an IQ above 80.
Seriously, how do they expect me to respect them if they won't respect themselves or me?
So I'm supposed to support their cause suddenly because they run around in their underwear? That's flat-out insulting on multiple levels.
As for effectiveness, it's an effective way to get noticed. I'm not sure it's an effective way to promote your viewpoint.
I think there are better ways to get noticed AND promote your viewpoint, ones that aren't flashes in the pan but do that long, boring and patient work required.
Everything has to be "Now!" and some scheme.
But yeah, if you're demanding respect for your lifestyle, show me respect beyond that of a 6 year-old. They might as well have handed me a lollipop and told me to support their cause.
Oh and as far as whether to "chill" or take things seriously, when it comes to political issues, they should be serious. If their issue is so serious, they should treat it seriously. Clearly its not if that's the way they are going about it.
Sorry, but I'll pay attention to people in countries like Syria and China where they protest real buses and do so in a mature fashion and do things like write books and essays and protest in a manner that respects themselves and me and shows a whole more concern and gravity of the situation than these fools.
You're right though, instead of "I Have a Dream" Civil Rights activists should have just had some giant dance fest. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Explain to me how running in your undies does anything to promote the cause of freedom or make you look like a worthwhile member of society.
Oh right, I should just chill out and poke more smot and then I'd understand.
Put it this way, if you can't take the time to articulate your cause and present it in a matter befitting someone with, I don't know, a middle school level of education, then your cause is probably nonsense.
Seriously, I think I saw this bid to express someone's freedom done once back in the first grade. |
Because it's an effective way to get noticed.... if you don't get noticed than what point have you made? I would personally never do it, but as a strategy to get attention to your cause it's not a bad idea. Before this, I know Utah was conservative, but now I'm thinking about it more. If you wrote a letter to the editor, then whatever who cares, or even reads it. I don't know what poking smot is, but you should probably chill out some more instead of always hearkening back to the good old days and expressing some sort of moral outrage and condescension as your knee jerk reaction. |
Or maybe those idiots should put their clothes on and actually try to express their viewpoint to me as though I'm an adult with an IQ above 80.
Seriously, how do they expect me to respect them if they won't respect themselves or me?
So I'm supposed to support their cause suddenly because they run around in their underwear? That's flat-out insulting on multiple levels.
As for effectiveness, it's an effective way to get noticed. I'm not sure it's an effective way to promote your viewpoint.
I think there are better ways to get noticed AND promote your viewpoint, ones that aren't flashes in the pan but do that long, boring and patient work required.
Everything has to be "Now!" and some scheme.
But yeah, if you're demanding respect for your lifestyle, show me respect beyond that of a 6 year-old. They might as well have handed me a lollipop and told me to support their cause.
Oh and as far as whether to "chill" or take things seriously, when it comes to political issues, they should be serious. If their issue is so serious, they should treat it seriously. Clearly its not if that's the way they are going about it.
Sorry, but I'll pay attention to people in countries like Syria and China where they protest real buses and do so in a mature fashion and do things like write books and essays and protest in a manner that respects themselves and me and shows a whole more concern and gravity of the situation than these fools.
You're right though, instead of "I Have a Dream" Civil Rights activists should have just had some giant dance fest. |
Actually, I'm pretty sure that these types of reactions from conservatives was part of their point. So, in a way you played into their hand, like I'm sure that they knew you would. I can only imagine their concern about what you think, "oh no old man rails will act in a conservative knee jerk manner and not consider our issue when we protest conservativism in our states. We should protest a lot more conservatively not to offend the conservatives we are protesting against." This is not to say that I support their tactics, but that I look down on self serious responses like what has been offered here. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Right, my going out and voting now on their 'Proposition Whatever' is me playing into their hand. Me sending in some campaign contributions to their opponents is me playing into their hands.
I don't see anything cunning behind this.
I see a lot of immaturity and arrogance.
Their protest was generally against "conservatism" and "uptight" morality. They expressed this through wandering through the street and partying to show people that they are free and everyone should chill out.
Some might call this protest. Others might call it decadence.
Yes, sometimes serious responses are called for. And no, I am not playing into anyone's hands. Their behavior was just idiotic period.
And supporting a cause because people decide to strip down to their underwear is absolutely moronic. Like I said, handing me a lollipop with "Vote for X" would be better than what they did. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Right, my going out and voting now on their 'Proposition Whatever' is me playing into their hand. Me sending in some campaign contributions to their opponents is me playing into their hands.
I don't see anything cunning behind this.
I see a lot of immaturity and arrogance.
Their protest was generally against "conservatism" and "uptight" morality. They expressed this through wandering through the street and partying to show people that they are free and everyone should chill out.
Some might call this protest. Others might call it decadence.
Yes, sometimes serious responses are called for. And no, I am not playing into anyone's hands. Their behavior was just idiotic period.
And supporting a cause because people decide to strip down to their underwear is absolutely moronic. Like I said, handing me a lollipop with "Vote for X" would be better than what they did. |
This is getting a bit circular, but the fact that we are even talking about it is evidence that it was successful. If they wrote essays then no body would have read it or cared, and you wouldn't have known about it. Watch self righteous and self serious people tutt-tutt is kind of funny, so they succed on that goal as well. As you aren't their target demographic, then your opinion is meaningless to them. You propaly support the "traditional values" of the mormon church so they already put you in the intractable colum. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Right, my going out and voting now on their 'Proposition Whatever' is me playing into their hand. Me sending in some campaign contributions to their opponents is me playing into their hands.
I don't see anything cunning behind this.
I see a lot of immaturity and arrogance.
Their protest was generally against "conservatism" and "uptight" morality. They expressed this through wandering through the street and partying to show people that they are free and everyone should chill out.
Some might call this protest. Others might call it decadence.
Yes, sometimes serious responses are called for. And no, I am not playing into anyone's hands. Their behavior was just idiotic period.
And supporting a cause because people decide to strip down to their underwear is absolutely moronic. Like I said, handing me a lollipop with "Vote for X" would be better than what they did. |
This is getting a bit circular, but the fact that we are even talking about it is evidence that it was successful. If they wrote essays then no body would have read it or cared, and you wouldn't have known about it. Watch self righteous and self serious people tutt-tutt is kind of funny, so they succeed on that goal as well. As you aren't their target demographic, then your opinion is meaningless to them. You propaly support the "traditional values" of the mormon church so they already put you in the intractable colum. |
Thank you for articulating my view and thoughts in this thread. |
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