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cj1976
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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So, being happy and finding some faults with your surroundings are mutually exclusive? Not everyone shares that view of happiness. I think Korea is an okay place to live and I have some stake in it now because of my wife. That doesn't mean I have to pretend there's nothing wrong with the country because there clearly are a few issues that need to be sorted in Korean society.
Damn, this forum is too full of touchy apologists who bend over backwards to be contrary, and will never compromise their argument even if there is compelling reason to do so. Even my wife and her family members would find you baffling. |
Are you responding to me or Madoka?
I never said that being happy and finding some faults with your surroundings are mutually exclusive. |
It doesn't matter. This was supposed to be about football banter. Do you honestly think I believe that the dodgy ref is firm evidence for corruption? I didn't see you jump in to defend Italian honor after the joke by catman.
Take some time off from the Korea Defence League and learn to relax.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:52 am Post subject: |
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So, being happy and finding some faults with your surroundings are mutually exclusive? Not everyone shares that view of happiness. I think Korea is an okay place to live and I have some stake in it now because of my wife. That doesn't mean I have to pretend there's nothing wrong with the country because there clearly are a few issues that need to be sorted in Korean society.
Damn, this forum is too full of touchy apologists who bend over backwards to be contrary, and will never compromise their argument even if there is compelling reason to do so. Even my wife and her family members would find you baffling. |
Are you responding to me or Madoka?
I never said that being happy and finding some faults with your surroundings are mutually exclusive. |
It doesn't matter. This was supposed to be about football banter. Do you honestly think I believe that the dodgy ref is firm evidence for corruption? I didn't see you jump in to defend Italian honor after the joke by catman.
Take some time off from the Korea Defence League and learn to relax.  |
If you look at pages 1 and 2 there are plenty of people who say Italy could/would have beaten S.K if they had tried a little harder. Looks like the Italian Defense League is full up already. No spots left for me unfortunately.
But if it comes to that, Italy definitely had a better team (at least on paper). I think they took this game way too casually..no one expected Korea to beat them and they paid for it. |
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Koreadays
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:32 am Post subject: |
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footy! that's for Rugby! come on, any kiwi or Skip will tell you that!
if you say "wanna play some footy"? it means play some rugby.
soccer = football in England. I am not from England, maybe the poms refer to footy as football too, so what do they call rugby? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:26 am Post subject: |
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We call it rugby or rugger, but as the comedian Jimmy Carr explains,
"Of course, the big innovation in rugby was the introduction of the ball. Before then, it was just buggery." |
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maladict23
Joined: 17 May 2011
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:35 am Post subject: |
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The title of this thread should be changed.
Worst thread ever. |
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cj1976
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:44 am Post subject: |
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The title of this thread should be changed.
Worst thread ever. |
Better yet, just remove it altogether. It truly has run its course now. I might rename it to "Korean Milfs Best in the World" - just to mess with people. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| If Europeans wonder why Americans always consider futbol gay, the whole calling it 'footy' thing is not helping matters... |
Still sounds better than 'soccer'. We generally call it football, but sometimes when talking to mates, we might call it footy. Such as "Did you see the footy last night?". |
Again, not really helping matters.... |
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blm
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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So, being happy and finding some faults with your surroundings are mutually exclusive? Not everyone shares that view of happiness. I think Korea is an okay place to live and I have some stake in it now because of my wife. That doesn't mean I have to pretend there's nothing wrong with the country because there clearly are a few issues that need to be sorted in Korean society.
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I'm fine with you bagging Korea. It's not perfect but it's good enough for me and I don't need other people t like something for me to enjoy it.
2002 was my favorite World Cup. I know it wasn't the best one (I still remember the stupid ball they used) but it was the one in the best timeslot for me (didn't have to get up at 1:00 am etc) so I watched a really high % of the matches.
Anyway your recent responses seem to indicate you are not taking yourself too seriously..... sorry I assumed you were American.
Carry on with the good work. |
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oldtrafford
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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The fact you call it footy makes me a little wary as to the truth of your lifetime claims.
Korea also had a legitimate goal ruled out in one of those games..... I think biased refereeing 101 teaches you not to rule out goals for the team you are supposed to be fixing the game for.
I watched 2002 from back home, completely neutral as I had no ties to Korea or their opponents. There wasn't any feeling that Korea cheated at the time in our press or commentary. The only time it got play was when Ahn was sacked from his Italian club, and then it was 100% on Ahn's side as the Italians were portrayed as bad losers. The Aussie press is notoriously anti football too and would have jumped up and down a the whiff of a bad news story.
It just seems to be Americans, Italians and Portuguese who think that and they all seem to want to believe it.
I have seen much worse refereeing displays than that and the European countries used to always get the benefit of the doubt just because refs were too scared to call against them.
It's normally the fox that is most concerned about the hens so you can see why Italians believe it must have been fixed..... It�s what they would have done.
The Ities and the Spanish waiters were robbed. More so the Spanish waiters!! It was in Fifa's interest to see two Asian terms progress that year. As a result of this the global brand of 'football' could spread and open up new financial markets in countries such as Korea.
Koreans didn't give a dam about 'footy' prior to 2002, that's a fact. Fast forward 11 years and it's all over the box (t.v.). Fifa and clubs such as Man United have profitable very nicely from this new found interest. Indeed, did the K League exist prior to 2002? I think not!! Did the Asian Champions League exist? I think not!!! Did Man United make millions of pounds from Koreans prior to 2002? I think not!!
Sepp Blatter, the garlic eating, French poofter is a disgrace. He's corrupt and Fifa is corrupt at all levels. Did Fifa cheat? You bet your last hogwon Won they did!!! Did Korea? No, I don't think so!!
However, they have a history of bribing officials in big sporting events. Seoul Olympics 1988, boxing final is a good example of that!!  |
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cj1976
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Seriously, it's not that straightforward to fix a football game because of its often unpredictable nauture. Even if the ref takes a bribe, there are so many variables out of his control. For instance, the goalie can be a complete plonker like in the England vs USA match, or someone can take a shot and it deflects off someone's arse, onto the post and into the goal. The ref can't predict these things. |
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oldtrafford
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously, it's not that straightforward to fix a football game because of its often unpredictable nauture. Even if the ref takes a bribe, there are so many variables out of his control. For instance, the goalie can be a complete plonker like in the England vs USA match, or someone can take a shot and it deflects off someone's arse, onto the post and into the goal. The ref can't predict these things.
You've got it the wrong way round my friend. It's harder for a footballer to fix a game. You would need the spine of a team to do so. As much as Bruce Grobblear tried, he found it tremendously difficult by himself despite him being the goalie.
A ref however, can ultimately have a massive influence over a game. Ask Leeds United fans about their only European cup final back in the 1970's. The ref cheated just like said referees in 2002, who gave some suspect decisions to the Koreans, I'm being kind with the word suspect by the way!!
It was great to see the under dogs do well, the crowds both in korea and Japan were electric, and it made great t.v. coverage. Spain were robbed by England in Euro 1996 in the knock out stages. As I recall they had a legitimate goal disallowed, and a cast iron penalty turned down. It paid to keep the English in the tournament as long as possible. Unfortunately for me (English) the Krauts put us to bed in the penalty shoot out in the semis. Just goes to show that bent refs exist on all continents, it's not merely an Asian phenomena!!  |
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cj1976
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I remember Bruce Grobelaar well. He was an eccentric and mercurial player who could be outstanding one minute and infuriating the next. He was famous for a few howlers. I wonder of any of them were intentional? |
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pegasus64128

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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Dodgy World Cup Ref, Heroin and Italian jokes. |
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Suspected? I assumed it was well accepted that it wasn't legit.
Great to see frauds like this kept away from sports.
Glad to see this fool is retired too:
Just because the Spaniards whined less than the Italians, doesn't mean they had less reason to. A point backed up by the fact that Spain went and won the thing last time round, as well as European championships - the cream rises to the top in the end.
http://mauricioyanes.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/38091466_ref_ap-fernando-hiuerro.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamal_Ghandour
"Allegations were rife that the match was fixed, something that the FIFA officials brushed away. Ghandour was rumoured to have received a car from the FIFA vice-president Chung Mong-joon, a South Korean, in exchange for favouring the home side in the quarterfinals.[5] These allegations prompted Ghandour to threaten legal action. Eventually Ghandour chose to end his career under a cloud of suspicion." |
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cj1976
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, there's so much we don't know but here's what we do know:
1.Football is clearly not immune to corruption.
2.This particular ref had a slightly wobbly moral compass.
3.Korea got away with murder in that tournament and opposition teams weren't so lucky.
4.There is a history of bribery and corruption in Korea.
5. Roy Jones Jr. |
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Steelrails

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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm shocked, shocked to hear about corruption in Football! I am especially shocked, ESPECIALLY shocked to hear about corruption in Korea! |
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