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3twentyseven
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
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 Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: What can be taught on the E2 visa? |
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I know very little about this details and exceptions for this teaching business. It will be my first time coming to Korea.
I have been communicating with a private international school (that seems to be very SAT testing friendly upon looking at their website). I am expecting a job offer within a few days. However I realized that there may be an issue that could use some clarification for me.
They are wanting me to teach English (using subject material related to art) 50% of the time and do art instruction the other half of the time.
I am assuming that they would be sponsoring me for an E-2 visa. (I have not clarified with them on this issue, so that may prove to be important)
Would this teaching situation be legal? If a class is taught in English does that constitute as English instruction or must the class be strictly English language (pronunciation, grammar, etc.) instruction? Is there another visa that might be sponsoring me on as opposed to an E-2?
I am obviously not going to be taking the job if that proves to be the case, and I'm very glad to have thought to ask before I've accepted something that might get me deported once there.
Please advise, ask questions, etc. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretty much anything, so long as the class is in English. If you're teaching art in English, you are teaching English. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:02 am Post subject: Re: What can be taught on the E2 visa? |
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| 3twentyseven wrote: |
I know very little about this details and exceptions for this teaching business. It will be my first time coming to Korea.
I have been communicating with a private international school (that seems to be very SAT testing friendly upon looking at their website). I am expecting a job offer within a few days. However I realized that there may be an issue that could use some clarification for me.
They are wanting me to teach English (using subject material related to art) 50% of the time and do art instruction the other half of the time.
I am assuming that they would be sponsoring me for an E-2 visa. (I have not clarified with them on this issue, so that may prove to be important)
Would this teaching situation be legal? If a class is taught in English does that constitute as English instruction or must the class be strictly English language (pronunciation, grammar, etc.) instruction? Is there another visa that might be sponsoring me on as opposed to an E-2?
I am obviously not going to be taking the job if that proves to be the case, and I'm very glad to have thought to ask before I've accepted something that might get me deported once there.
Please advise, ask questions, etc. |
It also depends on their license/registration.
E2 = teacher of a foreign language
E7 = specialist (including real teachers - as compared to language teachers).
E1 = visiting professor.
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3twentyseven
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:22 am Post subject: Re: What can be taught on the E2 visa? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
It also depends on their license/registration.
E2 = teacher of a foreign language
E7 = specialist (including real teachers - as compared to language teachers).
E1 = visiting professor.
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What questions can I ask to be sure that I would be teaching legally?
Does the process and documents needed differ for the E7 or E1?
Am I stressing over this too much?
(Do I ask too many questions?  ) |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:41 am Post subject: |
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I am pretty sure you aren't applying for a professor job, you would be doing either E2 or E7. In that case, the issue would be pay, and if you feel you are more of a "specialist" and going to teach more art than English, you should try to get an E7 I think. That seems like it would be the higher paying job.
However, if you are new to the teaching world, you might just want to start with an E2 and see how it goes. If you are bored with the curriculum and you want something more, look around at other schools and try to get the E7.
I found that whatever your first job is, it's just a stepping stone to something better later on. So, don't worry about it. Apply, come, and move on. |
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Skill
Joined: 06 Jul 2011
Location: London
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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That is quite interesting. How much English can be taught in an art lesson. You need to get very creative. I am sure you can come up with something with your artistic skill.
I am planning to do my year in Korea. Come back home, get my PGCE and teach science abroad. I haven't decided where. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Skill wrote: |
That is quite interesting. How much English can be taught in an art lesson. You need to get very creative. I am sure you can come up with something with your artistic skill.
I am planning to do my year in Korea. Come back home, get my PGCE and teach science abroad. I haven't decided where. |
With low level students it's really easy to make an art class English oriented. If they're really low you can focus on following directions, if they're a bit higher level you can discuss various works of art, teach them about different coloring schemes and the concept of balance, etc. If they're fifth year immersion kids it's a bit more difficult, but it's really a lot easier to structure a good lesson around art than one might think. |
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3twentyseven
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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I just received a sample contract.
Please review it over in the contract review thread.
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| You need to get very creative. |
Isn't that what artistic types do best? I can apply creativity to things other than visual art.  |
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Skill
Joined: 06 Jul 2011
Location: London
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| 3twentyseven wrote: |
I just received a sample contract.
Please review it over in the contract review thread.
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| You need to get very creative. |
Isn't that what artistic types do best? I can apply creativity to things other than visual art. |
Then, you are sorted.
You better keep us upto date and supply some of your creative lesson plans. |
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Hotpants
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Just as a side question to Tompatz, since I didn't realize certified teachers could come in on an E7 - does that mean they are also exempt from CBC, apostilles, and medical, since I thought that any E7 doesn't require those hoops? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Just as a side question to Tompatz, since I didn't realize certified teachers could come in on an E7 - does that mean they are also exempt from CBC, apostilles, and medical, since I thought that any E7 doesn't require those hoops? |
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Visa Category Name (Korean name) Number issued (2005)[1] Number issued (2006)[2]
E-1 Professor (교수) 3,204 3,500
E-2 Foreign language instructor (회화지도) 12,439 15,001
E-3 Research (연구) 5,406 5,838
E-4 Technology transfer (기술지도) 819 606
E-5 Professional employment (전문직업) 581 886
E-6 Artistic performer (예술흥행) 4,759 4,518
E-7 Designated activities (특정활동) 13,514 14,927
E-8 Training employment (연수취업)
E-9 Non-professional employment (비전문취업) 38,244 38,713
E-10 Vessel Crew (내항선원) |
Here's a list of the E- visas from Wiki and what they do.
An E-2 holder is a foreign language instructor. So if you are teaching English I don't see how it's possible to get an E-7 when they have a specific visa (E-2) for that.
If you are teaching something else (art, science, math) then you might be able to get an E-7. And yes all these "hoops" are for E-2 holders...unless you teach (full-time) at a public school in which case you still have to go through them because that is a MOE requirement. |
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iselynjenniep
Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: bundang
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| i teach art, math, and science (in english) at a kindergarten and i have an E2. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| iselynjenniep wrote: |
| i teach art, math, and science (in english) at a kindergarten and i have an E2. |
Ahem. |
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crisdean
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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during summer and winter camps I teach cooking classes (in English.)
I'd say the higher level students actually get more out of it than the lower level ones do... |
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iselynjenniep
Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: bundang
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| iselynjenniep wrote: |
| i teach art, math, and science (in english) at a kindergarten and i have an E2. |
Ahem. |
the original poster was concerned about teaching art in english. |
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