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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:26 am    Post subject: Kids Using Banmal to You Reply with quote

Do you call them out on it every time or do you let it pass.

I sometimes feel like an egotistical, power-hungry tool for doing it, but I feel the kids should be using choen-dae-mal (using "yo" at the end of sentences) when talking to me---even though I'm foreigner. Because when the same kid that used banmal to me goes and talks to the Korean teacher 1 minute later, he/she uses choen-dae-mal....WTH? Feels like a slap in the face!

How do you approach this? Even though it isn't in our culture per se, do you still call them out on it ALL THE TIME?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: Kids Using Banmal to You Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
Do you call them out on it every time or do you let it pass.

I sometimes feel like an egotistical, power-hungry tool for doing it, but I feel the kids should be using choen-dae-mal (using "yo" at the end of sentences) when talking to me---even though I'm foreigner. Because when the same kid that used banmal to me goes and talks to the Korean teacher 1 minute later, he/she uses choen-dae-mal....WTH? Feels like a slap in the face!

How do you approach this? Even though it isn't in our culture per se, do you still call them out on it ALL THE TIME?


Don't need to a lot of the time. I've got most of them so well trained now...they call the others out on it. It's hilarious hearing a couple of swotty girls bawl out one of their peers for using banmal.

But yes I would call them out on it all the time if need be. Because you give kids an inch...they WILL take a mile...or try to. Familiarity breeds contempt it is very true.
Once you get them used to it, it becomes a whole lot easier.
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cheolsu



Joined: 16 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not even remotely acceptable. It's equivalent to having kids swear at you. The first time it happens in a class, I call the kid out on it in Korean and give him a chewing-out. It's usually the last time. After that, every time it happens, they can clean the room.

There are three reasons it happens:

1) They think you don't understand and they're having some fun at your expense. I once had a kid call out "빡빡이 선생님 안녕!" (Hey Baldo!) from the far end of a classroom as I walked by. I pulled him out of the class and asked him what the hell he thought was doing. He apologized and he has been a great student ever since.

2) Sometimes it's awkward to switch between languages. When my boss speaks to me in Korean, sometimes I'll just respond with just an answer ("4,500원" instead of "4,500원요"), because I think in English when I speak to her.

3) As well, even though you can understand them, students are not always talking to you, but to no one in particular or to their peers.

I've found, for whatever reason, that it's worse with younger students than older ones. At my elementary school, I generally find that manners and discipline in general improves from grades 1 to 6, at least with English teachers.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Depends on the situation and the context. In reported speach the student teacher relationship can accommodate it. In certain situations it can be acceptable again because of the student teacher relationship. For example 선생님 민수 나 때렸어.�Perfectly acceptable. If the absence of a 요 ending is the only thing that is bothering you and I don't know that it is because you offered no specific examples I'd say that you are over sensitive and under educated.
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Fat_Elvis



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't they be speaking English to you? Why worry about what they say in Korean, except to think how you can get them to say it in English?
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat_Elvis wrote:
Shouldn't they be speaking English to you? Why worry about what they say in Korean, except to think how you can get them to say it in English?

Shouldn't they? Yes. But most of them try to speak Korean, and they probably do in your class, too. They may not be asking me a question but direct their comments towards me in banmal. Either way, banmal is being used.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Shouldn't they be speaking English to you? Why worry about what they say in Korean, except to think how you can get them to say it in English?


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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never accept annyeong as a greeting from a student. Thats the first place they'll test your tolerance/gullibility. But correcting them with humor rather than anger is probably most effective in the long run.

Also, younger elementary students are still learning the nuances of addressing their Korean elders. Cut them some slack.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's generally not an issue, but I call them on it when it is.
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't say I was ever bothered since I'm not Korean Very Happy
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Chet Wautlands



Joined: 11 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J and Cheolsu have given solid responses.

To those who think you should ignore it and focus on making children speak English, you may be overlooking the importance language levels have in Korean culture.

If students are speaking banmal (반말) to you, it shows that they either do not respect you or are testing you. It is NOT a sign of familiarity or friendship. If a student doesn't respect you, good luck teaching them anything.
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