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mayorgc
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radcon
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| Let me get this straight apologists in this thread. You are saying that in our home countries a random person can come off the street, go into a school, claim to be the ex-lover of one of the teachers, claim the teacher beat them and then the principal fires the teacher without any proof, court conviction, or even arrest? |
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The Floating World
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Let me get this straight apologists in this thread. You are saying that in our home countries a random person can come off the street, go into a school, claim to be the ex-lover of one of the teachers, claim the teacher beat them and then the principal fires the teacher without any proof, court conviction, or even arrest? |
Exactly, this is the 'essentially Korean' aspect of it that they for some reason I cannot fathom will continue to deny. I guess it makes them emotionally upset or something, I don't know.
The mindset of 'this is MY country and you are a mere guest and I can have you kicked out of it if you break up with me' just does not occur in general in other countries.
The though wouldn't pass through most people's minds, yet I have heard this happening at least anually here in the past 8 years.
Hey, maybe it is due to culture, the girl feels dishonoured (I have had a Korean ex and heard friend's korean exes say the have been 'dishonoured' by being dumped) and the only way she can save face is to ensure the guy isn't around any more.
hey, no problemo, it's a cultural differance - but let's not deny it!
Why the denial??? Why does the truth hurt so much? |
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Times30
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Let me get this straight apologists in this thread. You are saying that in our home countries a random person can come off the street, go into a school, claim to be the ex-lover of one of the teachers, claim the teacher beat them and then the principal fires the teacher without any proof, court conviction, or even arrest? |
Not an apologist but I've read several similar stories, not necessarily regarding teachers though.
Most recently I read about a boy (from the US) who was accused of rape with no evidence and brought to court. Regardless, he lost his job, no one would hire him and can no longer bring himself to contact the outside world. The reason? Not even he knows why the girl did this.
The world is fragile and so is our system. All of us as teachers walk on thin ice when it comes to our jobs. And just to be clear that this isn't a Korea thing. In my last school I worked for, I heard about a teacher who was fired because she was searching the pockets of a student who stole from another girl. It was true, she DID steal, but that girl complained and had her fired. The teacher never worked in education again.
So yeah, false or true, claims against you can get you in hot water. It's one reason why the education system is so corrupt. Teachers bend over backwards and the students have WAY more power than teachers.
Ever wonder why hagwons don't punish and colleges do teacher surveys? It's ridiculous worldwide. Korea not being an exception on either side of the scale. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Times30 wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Let me get this straight apologists in this thread. You are saying that in our home countries a random person can come off the street, go into a school, claim to be the ex-lover of one of the teachers, claim the teacher beat them and then the principal fires the teacher without any proof, court conviction, or even arrest? |
Not an apologist but I've read several similar stories, not necessarily regarding teachers though.
Most recently I read about a boy (from the US) who was accused of rape with no evidence and brought to court. Regardless, he lost his job, no one would hire him and can no longer bring himself to contact the outside world. The reason? Not even he knows why the girl did this.
The world is fragile and so is our system. All of us as teachers walk on thin ice when it comes to our jobs. And just to be clear that this isn't a Korea thing. In my last school I worked for, I heard about a teacher who was fired because she was searching the pockets of a student who stole from another girl. It was true, she DID steal, but that girl complained and had her fired. The teacher never worked in education again.
So yeah, false or true, claims against you can get you in hot water. It's one reason why the education system is so corrupt. Teachers bend over backwards and the students have WAY more power than teachers.
Ever wonder why hagwons don't punish and colleges do teacher surveys? It's ridiculous worldwide. Korea not being an exception on either side of the scale. |
Once again your examples are not pertinent. The rapist in your story was brought up on charges and went to trial and the second teacher was invading the privacy of students. |
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Times30
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Times30 wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Let me get this straight apologists in this thread. You are saying that in our home countries a random person can come off the street, go into a school, claim to be the ex-lover of one of the teachers, claim the teacher beat them and then the principal fires the teacher without any proof, court conviction, or even arrest? |
Not an apologist but I've read several similar stories, not necessarily regarding teachers though.
Most recently I read about a boy (from the US) who was accused of rape with no evidence and brought to court. Regardless, he lost his job, no one would hire him and can no longer bring himself to contact the outside world. The reason? Not even he knows why the girl did this.
The world is fragile and so is our system. All of us as teachers walk on thin ice when it comes to our jobs. And just to be clear that this isn't a Korea thing. In my last school I worked for, I heard about a teacher who was fired because she was searching the pockets of a student who stole from another girl. It was true, she DID steal, but that girl complained and had her fired. The teacher never worked in education again.
So yeah, false or true, claims against you can get you in hot water. It's one reason why the education system is so corrupt. Teachers bend over backwards and the students have WAY more power than teachers.
Ever wonder why hagwons don't punish and colleges do teacher surveys? It's ridiculous worldwide. Korea not being an exception on either side of the scale. |
Once again your examples are not pertinent. The rapist in your story was brought up on charges and went to trial and the second teacher was invading the privacy of students. |
If anything the fact he went to court probably should show how it's even MORE messed up irregardless. Even though his work knew he was innocent, they STILL fired him. OP COULD have gone to court but opted out because frankly it's too much trouble. The boy in my story DID go to court but still lost out on everything, including his reputation. Either way it was a lose situation for him. Court or not, he lost his job and his friends. There is no justice in our country or any other. If you want a thinly veiled bureaucracy to assuage the idea that a puppet government protects by all means go ahead.
But our government as much as Korea's is not immutable from corruption or problems. If anything we all know that US court system suffers from upholding the law over justice. I won't get into it but basically we all know that even if someone is guilty, a minor loophole such as Miranda rights not read or inadmissible evidence can overturn murderers and those completely guilt ridden. Let's not pretend that any government or judicial system is perfect or better. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Let me get this straight apologists in this thread. You are saying that in our home countries a random person can come off the street, go into a school, claim to be the ex-lover of one of the teachers, claim the teacher beat them and then the principal fires the teacher without any proof, court conviction, or even arrest? |
yet that's NOT what happened here.
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I'm curious as to why you think so with such certainty.
And do you think he would be awarded damages?
I agree about associating with "crazies"--life's too short. |
I'm not certain about it, but I'm pretty sure. One, I think he'd have grounds for a defamation/cyber bullying case. And two, I think he'd do well against his employer for wrongful dismissal. I talked with an attorney about the case, and they agreed that he'd be strong on both counts (only knowing what has been said here).
As for damages, that's a whole other ball game. I'd put money on him winning, but the awarded damages wouldn't be like the links I've posted. For me though, I'd pursuer it. I have no problem fighting something that I know I won't make money on, but might have a 'moral victory' in.
Glad we both agree on avoiding crazies. I'm betting it'd save half of the stories we read about on here if people had some better 'crazy radar." lol |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Let me get this straight apologists in this thread. You are saying that in our home countries a random person can come off the street, go into a school, claim to be the ex-lover of one of the teachers, claim the teacher beat them and then the principal fires the teacher without any proof, court conviction, or even arrest? |
yet that's NOT what happened here.
| atwood wrote: |
I'm curious as to why you think so with such certainty.
And do you think he would be awarded damages?
I agree about associating with "crazies"--life's too short. |
I'm not certain about it, but I'm pretty sure. One, I think he'd have grounds for a defamation/cyber bullying case. And two, I think he'd do well against his employer for wrongful dismissal. I talked with an attorney about the case, and they agreed that he'd be strong on both counts (only knowing what has been said here).
As for damages, that's a whole other ball game. I'd put money on him winning, but the awarded damages wouldn't be like the links I've posted. For me though, I'd pursuer it. I have no problem fighting something that I know I won't make money on, but might have a 'moral victory' in.
Glad we both agree on avoiding crazies. I'm betting it'd save half of the stories we read about on here if people had some better 'crazy radar." lol |
Thats not what happened? OK fine. She didnt walk into the school, she called the school, or had a womans group contact the school. Does it make a difference whether she walked in or called the school? |
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