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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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Look at the numbers posted. You cherry picked the top limit of the range he suggested and then proceeded to argue as if that was the only number put out there. Blatantly disingenuous. |
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Highwayman
Joined: 22 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever.
1) The market is flooded with BA+TESOL folks (because those are minimum requirements).
2) Very few employers have ever heard of more advanced qualifications (e.g. DELTA or LTCL Dip. TESOL) so they don't pay for them.
3) Universities insist on a related MA (e.g. TESOL, applied linguistics) but don't pay that much over the odds for them.
4) There is a flood of qualified applicants for university jobs paying sub-par salaries but with good holidays.
5) The doctorate-level jobs in TESOL advertised here are few and far between and pay peanuts in comparison with the cost (incl. opportunity cost) of the qualification.
The verdict: Korea's an OK place to save a grand a month when you're through with college, say to pay down some loans, but there's not much way to make a career of it or make a good living (salary: 5 million). |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Most people say they tend to hire blonds.
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| ewlandon wrote: |
| my boss did say he hires people based on their looks and thats why he didnt interview me. |
Wtf, he openly admitted it? Shameful. |
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Hi~ everyone.
My name is tony.
I'm looking for a librian in the library.
Nationality : Foreigner
sex : F ( special treatment with yellow hair)
Work place : library in Gyeonggi-do
Work to do : librarian(give and take book) very easy and sometimes say hi~ with smiling. ^^ |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Menino80 wrote: |
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Look at the numbers posted. You cherry picked the top limit of the range he suggested and then proceeded to argue as if that was the only number put out there. Blatantly disingenuous. |
I picked the top limit to show clearly why it was a silly statement to make.
But fine let's pick the middle limit. Bottom limit is $3000 and top end is 10,000= 13000/2=6500. So there you go, I'm not picking extremes I'm picking a number smack dab in the middle of his range.
Salary-6500*13=$84,500.. a salary range comparable with experienced qualified teachers/principals of long service back home. To argue that someone with a B.A and a few years of experience (to describe the typical teacher on this board) deserves the same salary displays a clearly over-inflated sense of self-worth...ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE JOB MARKET IS FLOODED WITH THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.
Heck most teachers back home don't earn that much.
http://www.nucleuslearning.com/node/3158
As we can see only Calgary teachers earn (a little more) Toronto teachers are close and the rest lag behind. And that is for a teacher with eight years experience and a teaching degree.
And that's just taking the middle numbers from his scale. And it is NOT including the cost of the hotels and flights he suggested. Include those and we earn way more than teachers back home even earning at the middle level of his scale.
I would suggest that the bottom level of his scale be the top. 3000*13=$39000. Include free housing and flights and we are closer to 50 thousand then 40 thousand a year ...which is still a decent salary considering that the average American salary is around 43 grand a year.
http://www.ehow.com/info_7746957_average-annual-salary-america.html |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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The average American does not have a college degree, to say nothing of a specialized degree in a professional field, so you're still cherry picking. The median income of bachelor's degree holder is over 1000 a week, putting that at $52,000. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Menino80 wrote: |
The average American does not have a college degree, to say nothing of a specialized degree in a professional field, so you're still cherry picking. The median income of bachelor's degree holder is over 1000 a week, putting that at $52,000. |
No. Choosing only those who have a college degree is cherry picking. Picking the AVERAGE is the very opposite of "cherry picking".
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| Cherry picking has a few different definitions, but it is most often thought of as the process of selecting a small amount of information or data to attempt to prove a point, while ignoring contradicting information. |
And that is what you are doing, picking a small select group while ignoring the average which is a much bigger group.
Plus I see no information about that $52000 a year claim.
It varies widely according to experience and type of job
http://www.ehow.com/info_8441037_basic-salary-bachelors-degree-holder.html
Elementary school teachers earn a median salary of around 43 thousand a year
while high school teachers earn a median of roughly 46,000
Let's stick to teachers here because that is comparing apples to apples.
These people have degrees too.
This is still a far cry from what the above poster was suggesting WE get, even if we discount the upper figure and stick to a middle range.
Even if we stick to the LOWEST figure he mentioned we would still come out ahead of the 43-46 figure. Remember he included flights and hotels as well as salary.
Last edited by TheUrbanMyth on Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:08 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Menino80 wrote: |
The average American does not have a college degree, to say nothing of a specialized degree in a professional field, so you're still cherry picking. The median income of bachelor's degree holder is over 1000 a week, putting that at $52,000. |
No. Choosing only those who have a college degree is cherry picking. Picking the AVERAGE is the very opposite of "cherry picking".
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| Cherry picking has a few different definitions, but it is most often thought of as the process of selecting a small amount of information or data to attempt to prove a point, while ignoring contradicting information. |
And that is what you are doing, picking a small select group while ignoring the average which is a much bigger group. |
The average does not apply in a discussion about teachers and their salaries. They hold college degrees. This should be quite obvious. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Menino80 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Menino80 wrote: |
The average American does not have a college degree, to say nothing of a specialized degree in a professional field, so you're still cherry picking. The median income of bachelor's degree holder is over 1000 a week, putting that at $52,000. |
No. Choosing only those who have a college degree is cherry picking. Picking the AVERAGE is the very opposite of "cherry picking".
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| Cherry picking has a few different definitions, but it is most often thought of as the process of selecting a small amount of information or data to attempt to prove a point, while ignoring contradicting information. |
And that is what you are doing, picking a small select group while ignoring the average which is a much bigger group. |
The average does not apply in a discussion about teachers and their salaries. They hold college degrees. This should be quite obvious. |
Right then here are teachers in America also degree holders.
http://www.ehow.com/info_8441037_basic-salary-bachelors-degree-holder.html
Elementary school teachers earn a median salary of around 43 thousand a year
while high school teachers earn a median of roughly 46,000
Let's stick to teachers here because that is comparing apples to apples.
These people have degrees too.
This is still a far cry from what the above poster was suggesting WE get, even if we discount the upper figure and stick to a middle range.
Even if we stick to the LOWEST figure he mentioned we would still come out ahead of the 43-46 figure. Remember he included flights and hotels as well as salary. |
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