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CentralCali
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It's true.
{Paragraphs 9 through 13 of that article}
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On Monday, three Seoul National University (SNU) students created a memorial altar inside the school to pay respect to Kim, but it was shortly removed by school officials, the school said.
Last week, one of the students, identified as Park, 22, proposed the setup of the altar in front of the student council building �to show our collective wish for peace on the Korean Peninsula and promote inter-Korean reconciliation.�
Most SNU students and graduates reacted negatively.
�We used to set up altars to honor those who sacrificed themselves for the country�s democracy. Was Kim a democratic fighter? He was just a terrorist who killed a number of Korean people,� said a message posted on the school�s website.
Some students also vowed to destroy the altar if it is set up. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Since when did the Korea Times start having sex ads everywhere? Good grief its worse than my junk mail inbox.... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| Hey NoHopeSeriously, so do you also support the gulags in North Korea that house around 200,000 political prisoners who live in inhumane conditions? |
Perhaps I do.  Never forget that USA also imprisons too many American citizens and foreigners under the abuse of FBI and the US military.
Here's what I think about the world:
USA = South Korea right now = bad socialist dictatorship
China = Singapore = Canada (another informal Chinese colony) = North Korea = decent socialist dictatorship
Obama = reincarnation of Joseph Stalin
You know, people in general should think beyond the conventional democracy. |
Your education has failed you. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I think this is relevant to this discussion: Andrei Lankov suggests that the economy in North Korea has drastically improved since the 90s to the point where starvation is actually rare now if it happens at all. He also suggests that it makes it more likely that drastic change will happen in North Korea, not less. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
I have no idea if this is true but I heard that some students attending Seoul National University have decided to erect a memorial statue of Kim Jong Il.  |
Just a few students, mind you, and don't forget, attending university can seriously warp minds.
One of the best sayings I've heard is: If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you're 40 and STILL a liberal, you have no brain. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| I have no idea if this is true but I heard that some students attending Seoul National University have decided to erect a memorial statue of Kim Jong Il. |
Just a few students, mind you, and don't forget, attending university can seriously warp minds.
One of the best sayings I've heard is: If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you're 40 and STILL a liberal, you have no brain. |
Excellent way to overgeneralize and paint people with a very broad brush. Maybe if we all buy into these type of stereotypes the world would be a better place
Imagine, if all Koreans viewed foreigners as degenerate scum...all Taliban viewed all westerners as the devil...all westerners viewed all Muslims as crazed terrorists...yep, that sure would be great...
If that is one of the best sayings you've ever heard...well, best of luck to ya, kid. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
| I don't think you could call the 1958-59 events noted above as democratic in any relative sense of the word. |
Yes Rhee was an autocratic president by the standards of today.
But he was still the first elected ruler Korea ever had. A giant leap forward.
And those years you mention still saw significant steps towards democracy. In 1958 South Korea held Parliamentary elections: voter turnout was 87%. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
| I don't think you could call the 1958-59 events noted above as democratic in any relative sense of the word. |
Yes Rhee was an autocratic president by the standards of today.
But he was still the first elected ruler Korea ever had. A giant leap forward.
And those years you mention still saw significant steps towards democracy. In 1958 South Korea held Parliamentary elections: voter turnout was 87%. |
Yes, he was technically elected. He was also a guy the US government flew in from the states and placed front and center, while dissenters who felt they weren't really given much of a choice were labeled "commie" and thrown into jail, or worse.
Reports of ballot stuffing and enforced voting (company employees told to vote for Rhee or expect to be cut loose) were rampant...this all again leading up to Rhee's disgraceful exit from South Korea, after he had framed and executed political rivals...these type of actions were considered pretty atrocious back then as well, and don't resonate in a positive manner in any era, pretty much. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| One of the best sayings I've heard is: If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you're 40 and STILL a liberal, you have no brain. |
What if you're a liberal at 20 and a radical at 40? |
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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| One of the best sayings I've heard is: If you're 20 and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you're 40 and STILL a liberal, you have no brain. |
What if you're a liberal at 20 and a radical at 40? |
You've got balls. |
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