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The Floating World

Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject:

Adventurer wrote:

stilicho25 wrote:

Adventurer, am I missing something? white girls only date white girls? Is there some massive lesbian skinhead movement I am not aware of?

Dude, I said people mostly date people of the same ethnic or racial group. It's not that hard. Just look around you when you travel around our big world. Interracial marriages are still not very common in North America. They're common enough, but that's only something rather recent. I didn't see that many interracial marriages in 1990.
In the Pittsburgh area, they've been increasing a lot, but that's something recent.

You said white girls only date white girls.

pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject:

The Floating World wrote:

Adventurer wrote:

stilicho25 wrote:

Adventurer, am I missing something? white girls only date white girls? Is there some massive lesbian skinhead movement I am not aware of?

You said white girls only date white girls.

Can I watch?

Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject:

The Floating World wrote:

Adventurer wrote:

stilicho25 wrote:

Adventurer, am I missing something? white girls only date white girls? Is there some massive lesbian skinhead movement I am not aware of?

You said white girls only date white girls.

Yes, more white girls are dating white girls because of people like you. Just kidding. Smile

No, I wasn't thinking of a lesbian scene. At least, I don't think I was.

Oh Behave! Shocked

v88

Joined: 28 Feb 2010
Location: here

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject:

Adventurer wrote:

ajosshi wrote:

v88 wrote:

The problem with using the LA riots as an example is the fact that Koreans were either targeted because they had been racist toward black people or simply caught in the middle of a local dispute. It wasn't immigrants against locals, it was locals who had a long history of extremely poor treatment at the hands of a bigoted majority that were acting out against authority and by extension a local immigrant minority group which happened to also be racist against them.

I agree. I was there.

I disagree with how you put this together. It almost seems like you're justifying the attacks against Koreans. Even if some Koreans were racist, destroying someone's property and assaulting them is a crime. Being racist is wrong, but it's not illegal. Also, I lived all the way in Texas and my sister's tires were slashed. What did we have to do with LA? We don't anything to anyone.

I didn't say it was a proven fact that Koreans were racist and so targeted by black people in LA. Nor am I saying it was correct. I'm saying it was part of the circumstance. To deny that Koreans can be terribly racist towards black people and that black people resent that would be foolish. So while it was not moral for rioters to target Korean shops the way they did, it is either karma or geographical placement of Korean shops in black neighborhoods where the riots occurred that lead to the situation. Likely both. And since black people in the US are hardly immigrants, but rather have a long and troubled history in the US starting with slavery they can hardly be used as a comparison for what may or may not happen here. Since Koreans seem to fear riots started by immigrants but not by Koreans against immigrants.

The LA riots merely demonstrate that having slavery and an incredibly racist past along with present day economic inequality is a bad thing. It also demonstrates that immigrants may be caught in the middle of local affairs and might even make targets of themselves by bringing their own racism into another nation.

As Korea already has pretty strict immigration policies and a very small immigrant population compared with other nations, it isn't likely that immigrants will create any riots, at least nothing compared to the Korean riots against foreign things that already exist. If anything the continued exclusion of immigrants who are already here and Korean racism towards them will tend to foster deep resentment in the immigrant population (as small as it is) creating enclaves of immigrants, or at least re-enforce this tendency. I sense the greatest troubles to come from Koreans and not immigrants. If Koreans could nip that in the bud, I think the future of immigrants in Korea would be far rosier.

Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject:

v88 wrote:

If anything the continued exclusion of immigrants who are already here and Korean racism towards them will tend to foster deep resentment in the immigrant population (as small as it is) creating enclaves of immigrants, or at least re-enforce this tendency. I sense the greatest troubles to come from Koreans and not immigrants. If Koreans could nip that in the bud, I think the future of immigrants in Korea would be far rosier.

I don't really see that much more immigration into Korea.

The gender imbalance is resolving steadily, if anything there is a growing preference for girls. A lot of isolated foreign (but asian) wives does not make for a future riot risk.

The flow of temporary foreign workers will dry up as Korea has already mostly built all the infrastructure projects it needs.

The English teacher influx is coming to an end.

Even given a shrinking population, they can get away without importing foreigners. Japan is managing it and they are projected to shrink 30% in the next 50 years.

GoldMember

Joined: 24 Oct 2006

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject:

Also scared of bugs, germs, dogs, cats, fish, and the water, but strangely not heights, nor flying through a windscreen in a traffic accident.

sirius black

Joined: 04 Jun 2010

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject:

pkang0202 wrote:

fosterman wrote:

pkang0202 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

I bet to differ on the "Once you go black..." schtick. I've known Korean women who dated a foreign guy or two but ended up with Korean guys (maybe because the girls themselves were too "Korean").

I know all too many foreign guys who have their main Korean girlfriend, and then they have the girls they just hook up with on the side.

yeah and I know to many Korean girls are going behind their boy friends back too, their foreign boyfriend!

most Korean girls who date a foreigner are usually dating a Korean at the same time.
korean guy is to secure the future, show the parents etc..
the foreigner is for fun!
when foreigners get those text messages, from their girl friends
"sorry I am busy tonight I have an appointment" yeah she is meeting OPPA or probably someone else.
not all, but many.

Most Korean girls who date a foreigner are dating a Korean on the side??? Where do you get this statistic?

And the Korean guy she's seeing on the side is just oblivious to the whole thing?

I would say SOME Korean girls do this. Most Korean girls do not.

I would say most as well. I don't have any stats but basing it on what I know and see. If its not most its a significant enough percentage where its not a surprise at all.

Plenty of guys don't know this. They think they are in a committed one on one relationship and a lot of them aren't.

I stopped asking if they have a bf fairly early on when I noticed how the vast majority were willing to date and had a korean bf or some k guy who they were dating or was in some form of a relationship. Not always phsyical but the other guy thought he was exclusive. Every guy I know who's dated a lot of Korean girls has said the same.

Others may have different experiences but my guess is that they just don't know and their egos won't let them register the possibility because after all "I'm a white english speaking person' no way she will date someone else Very Happy

With regards to the foreigner thing as I said in a previous post. The attitudes towards foreigners in terms of favorable and not are 1. Generational. Young people far, far more open to foreigners and 2. The type of foreigner. Genrally speaking European/North American/often white foreigners are seen and thought of differently than everyone else. Genreally SE Asian are the most prevalent and they are not liked nearly as much as westerners. If you're an American of SE Asian descent for example you're seen as different than a native SE Asian. The former speaks english and is culturally different. Same with a black american and a native african.

Mix1

Joined: 08 May 2007

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject:

pkang0202 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

I bet to differ on the "Once you go black..." schtick. I've known Korean women who dated a foreign guy or two but ended up with Korean guys (maybe because the girls themselves were too "Korean").

I know all too many foreign guys who have their main Korean girlfriend, and then they have the girls they just hook up with on the side.

And I've known "all too many" Korean guys tell Korean girls exactly that. The problem is it's nowhere near as common as you'd like to think.

But the stereotype works in your favor so I can't blame you for pushing it. However, most of us are just regular guys trying to get by.

I don't doubt that some locals actually believe the stereotypes about foreign guys (or have heard actual stories - true or not), but a lot of that tribalist thinking stems from a general fear and distrust of outsiders.

Anyway, it's the pot calling the kettle black. Wink

I've known "all to many" Koreans who do the same things, even while married.

Cheating is as common here as anywhere else, maybe even more so if the barber poles, business clubs, and booking clubs are any indication.

The locals can't claim any moral high ground on this. Those secretive love motels and hookup nightclubs weren't built for the foreign crowd that's for sure.

Mix1

Joined: 08 May 2007

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject:

sirius black wrote:

pkang0202 wrote:

fosterman wrote:

pkang0202 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

I bet to differ on the "Once you go black..." schtick. I've known Korean women who dated a foreign guy or two but ended up with Korean guys (maybe because the girls themselves were too "Korean").

I know all too many foreign guys who have their main Korean girlfriend, and then they have the girls they just hook up with on the side.

Then your guess shows your bias. Laughing

We're not all walking around thinking we're kings you know. If we're going to talk about egos, let's be balanced and talk about black and latino men too. Come on now. Wink

I agree on your earlier point about the girls often keeping their other "options" on the side. I worked somewhere here where almost all the local ladies had multiple dates lined up every other week with different Korean guys. We can assume none of the guys knew it. They justified it as husband shopping and until marriage, anything was still on the table. But if they found out a boyfriend was doing that he'd be branded a playboy instantly.

I too stopped asking if they have a boyfriend early on. If they do, and they are already dating you, they aren't going to be open about that answer anyway. Let's just say I've seen it enough to where it doesn't surprise me much anymore.

northway

Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:09 am Post subject:

Even factoring in that I'm on Dave's, I'm impressed with the number of unsubstantiated generalizations being slung here.

sirius black

Joined: 04 Jun 2010

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:53 am Post subject:

pkang0202 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

I bet to differ on the "Once you go black..." schtick. I've known Korean women who dated a foreign guy or two but ended up with Korean guys (maybe because the girls themselves were too "Korean").

I know all too many foreign guys who have their main Korean girlfriend, and then they have the girls they just hook up with on the side.

I'd put these guys in the minority, a very small minority. Most of the guys in Korea are LBH types with no game. They're just glad to get a steady piece. They see their K girlfriend and that's it. Partly because they're sprung and partly because they have no game to get a second Typically the girl did a lot more work than she usually has to show the guy she was interested. Sorry if it steps on toes, but its the vast majority of guys dating Korean girls. A few guys do date multiple girls because they were doing that back home as well and understand women generally. That's NOT the typical guy in Korea. Far from it.

Reggie

Joined: 21 Sep 2009

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject:

Mix1 wrote:

pkang0202 wrote:

Yaya wrote:

I bet to differ on the "Once you go black..." schtick. I've known Korean women who dated a foreign guy or two but ended up with Korean guys (maybe because the girls themselves were too "Korean").

I know all too many foreign guys who have their main Korean girlfriend, and then they have the girls they just hook up with on the side.

But the extramarital affairs and high divorce rate are results of American culture. The barbershops, love motels and hookup nightclubs are a result of the Japanese occupation of the early 20th century. Ultimately, it's the fault of foreign guys, just like the old Korean WWII veterans who get a free pass on raping the comfort women while the Japanese embassy workers who weren't even alive back then get the blame. Korea and Koreans are innocent and as pure as the driven snow.

alongway

Joined: 02 Jan 2012

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject:

Quote:

Cheating is as common here as anywhere else, maybe even more so if the barber poles, business clubs, and booking clubs are any indication.

The locals can't claim any moral high ground on this. Those secretive love motels and hookup nightclubs weren't built for the foreign crowd that's for sure.

The barber poles are pretty rare these days, and I've never heard anyone try to indicate that book clubs primarily exist for people looking to cheat. Not to mention the sex trade is frequently used by people who are single, not just people who want something on the side.

While the motels have been built to be secretive, they're used by a wide variety of people. Including many young couples who don't live on their own. That's why you often see them clustered near universities, or would you suggest people mainly only cheat when they're within 500m of an institute of higher education?

I'm not saying they don't cheat, just what you've brought up as evidence isn't incredibly compelling.

NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject:

alongway wrote:

Quote:

I'm in Juan, Incheon. There's no university within walking distance, but there are at least 3 dozen motels in a 4 block radius. As for barber poles, cross the train tracks and you'll see one every other block. Rare?

My husband has some married Korean friends. The guys go to dirty noraebangs. One of them tried to buy my husband a girl, and was confused as to why my husband excused himself to come home, rather than accept the "gift."

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject:

alongway wrote:

Quote:

They are not just near universities. They are ALL OVER THE PLACE. Near offices. In rich districts. In poor ones. Adjacent to government facilities. Along the highway.

If you honestly think that love motels are mainly clustered around universities, I question how much experience you have in Korea.

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