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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011 Location: Geumchon
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: Rude adult students |
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I like most of my 50-odd students. Actually, there are only two that I don't like and of that two it's just one that really bugs me.
Anyway, I have two students that insisted on coming in at the middle of the day. I work a split shift so it's horribly annoying to go home at 11:00am and then have to come back for one 2:00pm class because the students paid a lot of extra money to my boss in order to make it possible (I work at one of the only adult hagwons around).
Both students are housewives who've never held down a job before. Their husbands or rolling in it so every class I get to see pictures of fancy restaurants on their phones that cost 300,000W per plate or some such amount.
It is a freetalking class and I am pretty strict about freetalking classes in order to make them useful, so I always throw up their mistakes on the board when they make one and if they have difficulty with grammar or vocab then I throw that up too. I usually explain it until both students understand, have them practice before returning to the text or have them practice at the end depending on how big the grammar point is.
However, when I try to explain something to them in the class that I know they don't understand, one student puts her hand in my face and says "yes, yes, I got it" wanting to move on despite neither student really understanding (I have no freaking clue how they got this far with English).
It always feels like they're talking down to me and using me for my language without respecting me as a teacher. If they weren't twice my age I would have put my foot down awhile ago but I feel like I'm walking on broken class as it is so I'm just going to vent here. My boss is not understanding to venting to him would be pointless.
Everytime we talk about some kind of social issue (comes up a lot in freetalking), they always seem to take the side that I'd expect an ardent Nazi to take had one been in the class.
For example: rich people are better people than the poor, looks and money are more important than anything (especially in a marriage), everyone should have plastic surgery, Korean _______ is always better than Western _______ and most insultingly, Korean girls are "high" and Westerners are "low" so they implied I didn't deserve to have a Korean girlfriend.
I try to get them as far away from those kinds of topics as possible but they keep gravitating towards them on their own.
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Any suggestions for dealing with them? |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty much everything you posted about is not really within your bounds to concern yourself with. Aw, your student is rich and thinks rich people are the bestest? Deal.
But the dismissal of your advice by the one student, that's an issue. You can either:
1) take note of corrections and set a designated time at the end of class to do a feedback session she won't care about
2) tell her to respect your authority as a teacher and get a complaint
May sound flippant but when you're dealing with an adult class of two, unless higher powers in the academy dictate the necessity of following a specific class structure, you tailor things just a bit to meet their needs...even if it kills you a little on the inside.
edit: That said, I'm all for vents.  |
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Feloria
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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I've dealt with many situations similar to yours.
Basically, the old batalaxes are set in their ways, and from what you said, have a lot of pull with your boss.
Just do your best and put up with it; it's only an hour a day and you're getting paid whether they want to listen to you and improve, or not.
Good Luck! |
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edwardcatflap
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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However, when I try to explain something to them in the class that I know they don't understand, one student puts her hand in my face and says "yes, yes, I got it" wanting to move on despite neither student really understanding (I have no freaking clue how they got this far with English).
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Ask concept checking questions, give more examples with gaps etc...until you're satisfied they understand. If they complain, ask them if they want to learn how to speak properly or not. As for the other stuff, not much you can do. |
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pkang0202

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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Try your best OP. EVen if you are annoyed, try your best to be nice and courteous. They probably have negative opinions about foreigners to begin with, and anything you do to show your exasperation would only reinforce their stereotype.
How about having lessons outside of the Hagwon? If they have so much "pull" with the boss, then ask them if they would liek to have a lesson at a restaurant (on their dime). You can talk about food. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011 Location: Geumchon
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
Pretty much everything you posted about is not really within your bounds to concern yourself with. Aw, your student is rich and thinks rich people are the bestest? Deal.
But the dismissal of your advice by the one student, that's an issue. You can either:
1) take note of corrections and set a designated time at the end of class to do a feedback session she won't care about
2) tell her to respect your authority as a teacher and get a complaint
May sound flippant but when you're dealing with an adult class of two, unless higher powers in the academy dictate the necessity of following a specific class structure, you tailor things just a bit to meet their needs...even if it kills you a little on the inside.
edit: That said, I'm all for vents.  |
It was meant to be just a vent. I know it's not my job to change their stupid beliefs so I don't bother, it's more or less frustrating to have to listen to it in the afternoon when I could be doing other things.
I do do a "feedback session" at the end of classes with many freetalking classes who so desire. I write down all the points on a piece of paper so I can write them on the board and then explain afterwards. I tried doing this with these two winners, but they wouldn't let me go to the board and instead snatched the piece of paper they saw me writing corrections on straight out of my hand.
As I said, they don't think much of me because I'm a lowly hagwon teacher so they figure just as long as I give them the words and expressions they'll be fine. Jokes on them though as I usually write down the mistakes exactly as they were made instead of how they should be (it is easier that way).
I just don't like them as human beings. The other thing is that when they show up twenty minutes late, they think I need to stay an extra 20 minutes to compensate and they get mad at me when I terminate the session on the hour. Last time they ran out and started complaining to my boss but even he (who is kind of a douche himself) thinks they're nuts.
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Stan Rogers
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| You should maintain standards in your class. Tolerating rude behavior is not your job. You are the teacher and you are supposed to be in charge. If one or two dictator types want to control your class, suggest they change classes or get a private tutor. Tell them you are sorry that the class doesn't fit their expectations. Chances are they will simply stop attending and go elsewhere. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011 Location: Geumchon
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| You should maintain standards in your class. Tolerating rude behavior is not your job. You are the teacher and you are supposed to be in charge. If one or two dictator types want to control your class, suggest they change classes or get a private tutor. Tell them you are sorry that the class doesn't fit their expectations. Chances are they will simply stop attending and go elsewhere. |
I could do all this or I could just be really lazy and just "uh-huh" my way through the class. I think I'm going to do the latter because I'm already teaching ten full hours a day not including listening to these witches (they make it eleven). I'd rather save my energy for the students who value my teaching. |
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ThingsComeAround

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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
How about having lessons outside of the Hagwon? If they have so much "pull" with the boss, then ask them if they would liek to have a lesson at a restaurant (on their dime). You can talk about food. |
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Are you sure they don't like you? Sounds to me like they would request another teacher if you don't fit their fancy. |
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Stan Rogers
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