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randall020105
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Skippy
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Location: Daejeon
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Old news. I am suspicions of this. One, teacher worked in a public school. Of the public schools I have seen there is rarely a place to get a kid alone. Second these are older elementary school boys making the accusation. Me I have trouble trying to get a kid to leave a classroom, getting a Korean kid to get alone with me and take off shirt would be impossible. Third, this guy is married with children - so the strange loner type does not jive with this. Not saying pedo can not be normal looking upstanding citizens.
I am not defending if this guy is guilty. Just saying some stuff is off with this. |
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Julius
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| Skippy wrote: |
| Third, this guy is married with children - so the strange loner type does not jive with this.. |
I'm happy they caught him.
Hopefully this will go some way to end the ridiculous stereotype of single white male as somehow a threat to society. Stupid simplistic stereotypes that Korea, and many other countries, thrive on.
The fact is that Koreans do not know how to recognize a western wierdo.
More often than not seem impressed by people that in the west would be avoided by most.
I'd like to bet that most criminal sexual deviants are actually married, not single. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Child Molestation... Really!? |
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| randall020105 wrote: |
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20120402000715
WTH!?
Does this mean more requirements for the E2 now?
Does it mean more cctv in our schools?
Perhaps now we'll get colonoscopies and such fun medical exams...
Thanks Buddy! |
Like all accused, he is innocent until proven guilty, but ...
| Korea Herald wrote: |
U.S. language instructor who fled South Korea after being suspected of child molestation ...
The suspect allegedly forced the boys into areas at an elementary school ...
... removed their underwear and touched their genitals.
He was arrested in the U.S. early last month, extradited to South Korea on Tuesday and put under formal arrest two days later, the police said. |
Similar to a certain married with children football coach in PA ...
In 2010 this guy would have already needed a clean background check. His was likely clean when he came. Never previously caught or charged.
If anything this should show that the current strict CBC requirements will not make things better in Korea - in fact they will likely make things worse.
Many individuals with minor drug, alcohol, minor mistakes of young adulthood who are otherwise good potential teachers, smart and good people will be excluded. A surprisingly large percentage of adult Americans have some kind of arrest and conviction record - this includes all kinds of political protests which result in arrest, minor drug, alcohol and petty criminal arrests. This shrinks the pool of available applicants which means it will be easier for truly undesireable applicants who happen to still have a clean record to get a job in Korea. CBCs should be used only to screen out major felonies, otherwise the pool of applicants with "clean" records will actually contain a higher percentage of dirty applicants.
Individual applicants need to be evaluated and hired one at a time. It needs to be easier to hire and fire foreign teachers, not harder. Easier to hire means Koreans have a bigger pool to choose from and can make better choices at the outset. Easier to fire means getting rid of rotten apples quickly, before they have a chance to do any damage. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Child Molestation... Really!? |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| randall020105 wrote: |
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20120402000715
WTH!?
Does this mean more requirements for the E2 now?
Does it mean more cctv in our schools?
Perhaps now we'll get colonoscopies and such fun medical exams...
Thanks Buddy! |
Like all accused, he is innocent until proven guilty, but ...
| Korea Herald wrote: |
U.S. language instructor who fled South Korea after being suspected of child molestation ...
The suspect allegedly forced the boys into areas at an elementary school ...
... removed their underwear and touched their genitals.
He was arrested in the U.S. early last month, extradited to South Korea on Tuesday and put under formal arrest two days later, the police said. |
Similar to a certain married with children football coach in PA ...
In 2010 this guy would have already needed a clean background check. His was likely clean when he came. Never previously caught or charged.
If anything this should show that the current strict CBC requirements will not make things better in Korea - in fact they will likely make things worse.
Many individuals with minor drug, alcohol, minor mistakes of young adulthood who are otherwise good potential teachers, smart and good people will be excluded. A surprisingly large percentage of adult Americans have some kind of arrest and conviction record - this includes all kinds of political protests which result in arrest, minor drug, alcohol and petty criminal arrests. This shrinks the pool of available applicants which means it will be easier for truly undesireable applicants who happen to still have a clean record to get a job in Korea. CBCs should be used only to screen out major felonies, otherwise the pool of applicants with "clean" records will actually contain a higher percentage of dirty applicants.
Individual applicants need to be evaluated and hired one at a time. It needs to be easier to hire and fire foreign teachers, not harder. Easier to hire means Koreans have a bigger pool to choose from and can make better choices at the outset. Easier to fire means getting rid of rotten apples quickly, before they have a chance to do any damage. |
It's already easy enough. At any time during the first six months you can be legally fired for any reason or no reason at all.
And why should it only be made easier to fire FOREIGN teachers? Why did you say nothing about KOREAN teachers?
If you don't want people to think you are a recruiter or a director...you REALLY aren't helping your case with garbage like the above. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
| Of the public schools I have seen there is rarely a place to get a kid alone. . |
The school I worked at had CCTV cameras everywhere, I think in the classrooms also. It's a very simple smart thing to do. Also the children should be instructed to go to the restroom in groups of at least two. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Skippy wrote: |
| Third, this guy is married with children - so the strange loner type does not jive with this.. |
I'm happy they caught him.
Hopefully this will go some way to end the ridiculous stereotype of single white male as somehow a threat to society. Stupid simplistic stereotypes that Korea, and many other countries, thrive on.
The fact is that Koreans do not know how to recognize a western wierdo.
More often than not seem impressed by people that in the west would be avoided by most.
I'd like to bet that most criminal sexual deviants are actually married, not single. |
Well, given the surge since 2009 of younger single English teachers to the country, I would think Koreans would finally in 2012 start becoming more use to us. The country seems to me more open and less racist in the last couple of years. Not saying it's bliss, just that it's better than before where Koreans would avoid you like the plague. |
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luckylady
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a summer camp down in one of the provinces I worked a few years back was running a website of the campers; the female teachers were sharing a dorm hall with the female students and as I walked by one room (late, maybe 9 pm), I saw one of the male admins (young guy, 20's) standing in his satin undershorts and t-shirt trying to get the girls to pose in their nightclothes for pictures, allegedly for the camp's website.
I threw a hissy fit and chased him out and complained loud and clear. I paid for it (dearly in fact), but it was clear what he was doing, and those girls had no idea, not until I spoke up anyway. they were young, maybe 12 or so. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:23 am Post subject: Re: Child Molestation... Really!? |
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| randall020105 wrote: |
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20120402000715
WTH!?
Does this mean more requirements for the E2 now?
Does it mean more cctv in our schools?
Perhaps now we'll get colonoscopies and such fun medical exams...
Thanks Buddy! |
I realize that this is sarcasm, but what are you 'thanking' him for? Are you suggesting that it's his fault that there are strict immigration measure and stereotypes of foreigners? Are you presuming that he's guilty just because he's accused?
I'm not saying that he's innocent OR guilty but we haven't even heard his side of the story. Does the guy have any previous convictions? Was there any evidence to corroborate the accusations? Believe it or not, kids can make up stories to get someone in trouble.
Don't believe me? Check out this thread for starters.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=218856 |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Child Molestation... Really!? |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| randall020105 wrote: |
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20120402000715
WTH!?
Does this mean more requirements for the E2 now?
Does it mean more cctv in our schools?
Perhaps now we'll get colonoscopies and such fun medical exams...
Thanks Buddy! |
I realize that this is sarcasm, but what are you 'thanking' him for? |
I think he was suggesting that this might make things more difficult for the rest of us as far as E-2 requirements go...presuming the guy is guilty. |
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bbunce
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Skippy wrote: |
| Of the public schools I have seen there is rarely a place to get a kid alone. . |
The school I worked at had CCTV cameras everywhere, I think in the classrooms also. It's a very simple smart thing to do. Also the children should be instructed to go to the restroom in groups of at least two. |
Excellent advice. Never allow just one student out to the restroom, water, or whatever. For the older students, I tell them to wait until break time if possible. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| bbunce wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| Skippy wrote: |
| Of the public schools I have seen there is rarely a place to get a kid alone. . |
The school I worked at had CCTV cameras everywhere, I think in the classrooms also. It's a very simple smart thing to do. Also the children should be instructed to go to the restroom in groups of at least two. |
Excellent advice. Never allow just one student out to the restroom, water, or whatever. For the older students, I tell them to wait until break time if possible. |
Actually this could be very bad advice depending on the size and physical layout of the school (hallways, bathrooms etc.) in question.
For institutions with large, lengthy corridors, classrooms and facilities at a distance, out of sight and out of hearing range, and large bathrooms with multiple stalls, then a group of two at a minimum would be in order. For other schools with short hallways, classrooms and all facilities within sight and hearing distance, and single use bathrooms with locked doors it is more prudent to allow students out only one at a time.
Many large institutions have hall monitors (adults or trusted students) to add a layer of protection. But then, who monitors the monitors.
Large public schools that I've seen have hundreds of places where someone with a plan could get a kid alone. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Child Molestation... Really!? |
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| isitts wrote: |
| Troglodyte wrote: |
| randall020105 wrote: |
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20120402000715
WTH!?
Does this mean more requirements for the E2 now?
Does it mean more cctv in our schools?
Perhaps now we'll get colonoscopies and such fun medical exams...
Thanks Buddy! |
I realize that this is sarcasm, but what are you 'thanking' him for? |
I think he was suggesting that this might make things more difficult for the rest of us as far as E-2 requirements go...presuming the guy is guilty. |
He's definitely suggesting that this will make things more difficult for the rest of us. The problem is that the OP is automatically assuming that the guy is guilty. So he's not much better than the Korea public or policy makers who presume guilt based on accusations and sensationalist journalism. There are even people on this forum who presume that anyone over 35 who's teaching English here must be socially disfunctional and only here because they aren't able to fit in back home. I'm not saying that Koreans who believe stereotypes about foreigner are in the right. They're not - but like-wise it's just as wrong for us to make those same prejudisms. We don't know who this guy is. We don't know what actually happened or why. |
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plchron
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Location: Korea
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At least your school bathrooms have doors. I mean WTF? I can understand that maybe something shady involving adults and students or just students happened at my school many years ago (haven't asked). But when I got to take a whizz, male and female students passing by in the hallway can see me standing there, and they always say hello. While I'm peeing!
At first I thought this was a huge problem, but now my thinking is 'if they don't want to have doors then I don't care if the students see me.' The fault is on them. |
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bbunce
Joined: 28 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| bbunce wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| Skippy wrote: |
| Of the public schools I have seen there is rarely a place to get a kid alone. . |
The school I worked at had CCTV cameras everywhere, I think in the classrooms also. It's a very simple smart thing to do. Also the children should be instructed to go to the restroom in groups of at least two. |
Excellent advice. Never allow just one student out to the restroom, water, or whatever. For the older students, I tell them to wait until break time if possible. |
Actually this could be very bad advice depending on the size and physical layout of the school (hallways, bathrooms etc.) in question.
For institutions with large, lengthy corridors, classrooms and facilities at a distance, out of sight and out of hearing range, and large bathrooms with multiple stalls, then a group of two at a minimum would be in order. For other schools with short hallways, classrooms and all facilities within sight and hearing distance, and single use bathrooms with locked doors it is more prudent to allow students out only one at a time.
Many large institutions have hall monitors (adults or trusted students) to add a layer of protection. But then, who monitors the monitors.
Large public schools that I've seen have hundreds of places where someone with a plan could get a kid alone. |
Safety first. Layout doesn't matter. Watching out for your buddy is an excellent idea and lesson for the kids to learn. Sending them out in two's implies there is a possible danger-which is always true- and that we all need to watch out for each other. |
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