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fermentation · Joined: 22 Jun 2009

I'm convinced this is nothing more than fear mongering sensationalism. If anything, things seem to have gotten a lot better. I've seen plenty of "Oh noes! Schools are all going to hell!" type reports in my day when there was plenty of corporal punishment. Back then I lived in constant fear of getting my ass kicked by either the teachers or older students. Plenty of inter-school violence then too.

Mix1 · Joined: 08 May 2007

[quote="The Sultan of Seoul"][b]Basically there has been a breakdown of respect for adults, parents and authority worldwide in the past two decades to a shocking degree.[/b]

You can post all the hippy nonsense you like - though that is exactly what caused the problem in the first place - but it is essentially, when you take it to the bottom line, about ONE THING. The kids are not SCARED of getting out of line anymore. THEY DO NOT FEAR CONSEQUENCES.

Back in the 70's and 80's, you didn't mess up because you were SCARED of the consequences. Now you are not as you know that social services will catch you, call your parents fascist monsters if they hit you with the wooden spoon or ground you and give you a three month paid holiday to the Caribbean. Get caught doing a minor crime? No problem, cpl months in young offender's, go on the dole and have a free council flat and watch Jerry Springer all day. Pretty sure for the US it's simmilar. Also I blame gangster rap music. YES. There is less and less stigma about being a fcuk up these days. No problem, I'm a gangsta yo and I'll follow my DREAM MAN and go on pop idol or big brother and get a tv deal yo.

Kids heads are in the clouds, they think they are in charge because they are over catered to and treatred with kid gloves.

If they feel like nothing will really happen if they get out of line - guess what? They need to feel that if they get majorly out of line - there will be - real or just imagined - consequences. Nasty, scary, bleak consequences, not some hippy drippy fluffy consequences, but consequences such as being disaowned by the family and community and sent to the army or the poorhouse or prison camp - for a long time.

They now know that if an adult raises a hand to them - the adult will get in trouble! So they push the boundaries. That's what kids do! The hippy dippy bunch basically do not understand how kids work. Back when I was a kid, a teacher threw the board eraser at me and it hit me on the nose. I rushed home to tell the old man and imagined he'd go to the school and raise hell. Know what he said 'well if you weren't fighting with Stuart in class, you wouldn't have got hit on the nose with the board eraser, what do you expect? I hear you do that again and you're grounded for a month.' Another time we were taunting this man who lived down our street and he got angry. Again, I told the old man. Old man said 'well if he hits you, good for him, and if I hear you've been running your mouth off at him again, I'LL give you a good crack too.' You think we taunted the old man ever again? No, because we knew we could not win.

That's the natural order of things and the way they should be.

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Good post.
It's not only that kids now don't fear the consequences, they don't even have the slightest notion of what a consequence really is. In other words, it barely registers that in the real hierarchy the adult could potentially put them through the wall for blatant insolence and disrespect. If an adult did actually take action they'd likely be so shocked they wouldn't know what to do or why the adult did it, since the disrespect is so commonplace now.

All throughout history, the natural order was that kids and teens were deferential to adults. Now some want to throw that out the window or something. Let's not and say we did.

People can argue stats all they want, but there are a lot of factors and the numbers don't tell everything.

CP or no CP, the experiment in pampering kids and teens and treating them like untouchable royalty should end ASAP. It's not good for anyone. Bring back the natural hierarchy.

Weigookin74 · Joined: 26 Oct 2009