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Requesting 'proof of employment' from a former employer.
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: Requesting 'proof of employment' from a former employer. Reply with quote

I need proof of employment from a former employer. How should I go about getting this? Most importantly, can they refuse to give me one? I think my employer from a few years back had informed immigration that I left the job much earlier than I did. It is now causing me some headaches with immigration. They're saying I overstayed my visa. I did not. So I want a 'proof of employment' from my older employer. If he was indeed up to no good, he might not want to provide me with this paperwork. Can he deny it to me, or is he obligated to provide it.

Thanks in advance.
Smith
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nora



Joined: 14 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they are obligated by law to give it to you. just go it and tell them you need it. they can charge a reasonable fee (500 won or so) for it.
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Nora. Can I request it by mail or do I need to go in person? I don't live anywhere near my old school.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
Thanks Nora. Can I request it by mail or do I need to go in person? I don't live anywhere near my old school.


Do you honestly expect them to mail you something (even if they are required by law to issue it)?

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scorpiocandy



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I needed proof of employment from a place where I worked in 2004/2005 and they refused for some bogus reason. I called the labour board and two people told me they couldn't force the previous employer if it was more than 3 years ago.

This was in January this year that they told me that.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't the stamps in your passport elaborate your comings and goings clearly enough for immigration? That's assuming they don't have the relevant info in the system...
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Smithington wrote:
Thanks Nora. Can I request it by mail or do I need to go in person? I don't live anywhere near my old school.


Do you honestly expect them to mail you something (even if they are required by law to issue it)?

.

Is it such an unreasonable request? I'm working full time in Seoul. My previous job was near Daegu. Am I expected to hike down South for something that can be thrown into a mailbox? Am I being unreasonable here?...Also does anyone else know about the "3 year rule" mentioned by an earlier poster. Is that in fact a rule, or something that some bored kimmi employee made up on the spot? Personally, I think that if an employer can provide a proof of employment letter but nevertheless refuses to, it suggests to me that she's been cooking the books. Why else (besides being a jerk) would she refuse such a simple request? What are they afraid of disclosing?
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Wildbore



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
Smithington wrote:
Thanks Nora. Can I request it by mail or do I need to go in person? I don't live anywhere near my old school.


Do you honestly expect them to mail you something (even if they are required by law to issue it)?

.

Is it such an unreasonable request? I'm working full time in Seoul. My previous job was near Daegu. Am I expected to hike down South for something that can be thrown into a mailbox? Am I being unreasonable here?...Also does anyone else know about the "3 year rule" mentioned by an earlier poster. Is that in fact a rule, or something that some bored kimmi employee made up on the spot? Personally, I think that if an employer can provide a proof of employment letter but nevertheless refuses to, it suggests to me that she's been cooking the books. Why else (besides being a jerk) would she refuse such a simple request? What are they afraid of disclosing?


Firstly, yes, it is such an unreasonable request. This is Korea, a large and unreasonable bribe must be placed in the envelope with the request to bother your former manager with such tedius and boring document preperation, as well as to compensate for the hugely inflated price of postage and the gas for going to the post office.

Secondly, kimmi has nothing even remotely to do with the 3 year requirement. Labor law enforcement is part of the ministry of labor (not justice/immigration). The 3 year limitation is the law the Korean legislature passed. Don't like it, blame the politicians.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not a unreasonable request. The problem is "why should they?". What is in it for them.

Here is a thought experiment. Smithington can you please since you are in Seoul can you go to the International Store in Itaewon and buy me some Root Beer. I transfer you the money for only the Root Beer and Shipping? So can you do this for me?

The answer is likely no - the question, I am nobody important to you. The same with the school you are somebody from (?) years ago that maybe if lucky one person remembers. You do not want to waste the time to traveling for the root beer then to the post office. It could likely eat up an afternoon. Once again why waste the time typing up a letter and finding details and paperwork from 7 or 8 years ago. Easier to say no. Another reason why you will likely not help get me my root beer is I am only paying for the root beer and shipping - no extra money for you. Same with the letter - somebody has to do the work for no good reason (to them).

If you want the letter here is what I would recommend to do.

Make it worth their while. Provide an incentive from money, favor, a good reference of a possible teacher, etc. Just asking and demanding is not going to work very well.

Make it easy for them. Dig up any and all information about your past in relation to the school. The document you want is a "Certificate of Employment." There is info about the format and info need for it on the board and the net. So make it, fill in what you can, print it off, send it to them. If the all the ex boss has to do it sign it, stamp in, and put it in an envelope, and hand it to a delivery person it will get done. Which would you prefer to do push a button once or push a button a thousand times over a day?

Good Luck

Edited because I mixed two posts up a little. Wrong dates and years.
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wildbore wrote:
Firstly, yes, it is such an unreasonable request. This is Korea, a large and unreasonable bribe must be placed in the envelope with the request to bother your former manager with such tedius and boring document preperation.


Silly me. I forgot where I was. Confused
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plchron



Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The document:

http://ask.nate.com/qna/view.html?n=3192386
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asdfghjkl



Joined: 21 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to get one recently to get a higher pay grade. I just called my boss from the hagwon I worked at and asked her to send a letter saying "asdfghjkl worked at blahblahblah from (date) to (date)," and nobody gave me any guff on either end. The recruiter I got a job through even offered to contact my old boss for me.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it should be noted that this document isn't lengthy or challenging to draw up. It doesn't contain any secretive information. It just gives standard information about you and the dates you worked.

The only difficulty should be living through the brief whinge immediately after requesting it because you asked somebody to do something. Refusal to give it is out of spite and nothing more.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can't refuse to give it though.

By Korean Labor law you are entitled to request and receive that document. It is your legal right. (see Article 39)

http://htmlimg1.scribdassets.com/2pp0iroao091pm8/images/11-8575cab53b.jpg
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isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
Thanks Nora. Can I request it by mail or do I need to go in person? I don't live anywhere near my old school.


My old school mailed my proof of employment to my recruiter in Seoul. So, no, it's not unreasonable.
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