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MBC:The Shocking Reality About Relationships With Foreigners
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northway

Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:21 am Post subject:

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Nowhere in the video does it say it's part of Western culture to transmit HIV or leave women pregnant, LOL. At most this is more Jersey Shore (a US reality TV program about Italian-Americans) than it is Stormfront. Again, I just think folks are projecting their Western paranoia/ideology about racism onto what was a fairly harmless piece. Sorry folks but the Western history of racism as a model does not fit in the Korean context.

I'm not projecting anything. In her response, the producer stated that the piece was merely showing cultural differences. Yes, that would be hilarious, save for the fact that the producer actually said it, and the fact that she did says a lot about the mindset behind its production. Jersey Shore it is not.

slothrop

Joined: 03 Feb 2003

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject:

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fermentation

Joined: 22 Jun 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:33 pm Post subject:

slothrop wrote:

6 weeks later 'truth about foreigners' documentary part2 airs with your voice over, heavily edited.....
-hello.....hear me.... complaint... truth about foreigner... most foreign men... playboy.... have aids... do drugs....dispicible fashion.... sense..... make angry.....foreigner... love... you... long time.... bad..... customer... understand?

Lulz.

Dodge7

Joined: 21 Oct 2011

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:10 pm Post subject:

slothrop wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

Guys I keep telling you, stop viewing it as a political issue and the targets as political entities and making this about human rights.

We are lodging a customer complaint against a business we purchase services from (through our cable TV subscriptions). We are allowed to do that.

It is not against our visa rules to lodge customer complaints with businesses we purchase services from.

In our rage with issues that we have with Korea and by extension the Korean government, our mentality keeps on defaulting to protest and petitioning the government and complaining about human rights.

Step back and soberly view the issue as stemming from a single report on a single station. Lodge a customer complaint against MBC or your cable/satellite TV provider for bad customer service.

If you start going after the Korean media/government you've magnified the problem and will accomplish nothing. That's too many big fish. Use your brain not your anger. Go after one report on one station, a station that is already in the crapper with other issues? You might get somewhere and that one station can set a precedent.

Critical thinking.

customer complaint phone call to mbc...

customer-hello, is this mbc?
mbc-yoboseyo?
customer-hello?
mbc-yoboseyo?
customer-can you hear me?
mbc-neeeeeeeeh.
customer-i have a complaint about the truth about foreigner documentary. most foreign men are not playboys, do not have aids and do not do drugs.
mbc-neeeeeeeeh.
customer-i think it was really unfair for your mainstream newschannel to depict foeigners, who are your customers, in that dispicable fashion. it doesn't make sense to make customers angry, correct? listen, i usually love your programing and have watched you for along time.
mbc-neeeeeeeeeh.
customer-i just wanted to go on record and lodge this customer complaint, not about human rights, but about bad customer service. understand?
mbc.-neeeeeeeh.argetsamnida. comsamnida.

2 weeks later a 20$ gift certificate to tgi fridays shows up in your mail box courtesy of mbc.

6 weeks later 'truth about foreigners' documentary part2 airs with your voice over, heavily edited.....
-hello.....hear me.... complaint... truth about foreigner... most foreign men... playboy.... have aids... do drugs....dispicible fashion.... sense..... make angry.....foreigner... love... you... long time.... bad..... customer... understand?

best post on Daves lol

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject:

slothrop wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

No, I'm saying that when you protest in front of their headquarters you make sure to frame under the context of "customer complaint". Not to call up the customer complaint line.

Duh.

And so what? Petition the government? Replay your call only substitute MBC with "Korean Justice Dept." AND they might deport you on top of it.

But since we can't politically protest, we have to do the end around. Unless you have a better idea?

slothrop

Joined: 03 Feb 2003

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:58 pm Post subject:

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Los Angeloser

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:26 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Los Angeloser wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Adventurer wrote:

[That is what I was stating to Urban Myth. He stated that since the E-2 laws, that it cannot be viewed as a violation of our human rights since it's a visa-related law. Yet, many people view it as a moral, human right to assemble and protest. .

And many don't. Very few countries look kindly upon on NON-CITIZENS assembling and protesting. Plus when we accepted the E-2 visa we gave up that right as we accepted that we could be deported for doing so.

From what I understand it is legal to hold a "one man/person silent" protest in S. Korea, even for E-2 visa holders. In fact, anyone can go to the proper city office and register to do so. However, like other Korean laws which are counterdicting you can be sued for libel, even charged criminally. But, you will not be deported since it would only be a small fine of 1 million won(criminally) and the "one man protest" should not prevent you from getting another E-2 visa. I doubt MBC would sue individuals in civil court(David and Goliath syndrome) as long as you don't lie[or write on sign(s)], but you never know? Since group demonstrations are or have already been held the one-man protest is moot?

From what I understand I rather believe you understand wrongly.

But if you are correct no doubt you can point us to said law which allows one man protests for everyone including non-citizens.

Your belief is flat wrong. Seoul Immigration will not deport a teacher for conducting a properly registered one-man silent demonstration. And yes the hagwon could file charges in criminal and civil court but the petty crime will not get you deported. Depending on how much the hagwon owes a teacher it might be worth it but I'd do it only as a very last result. A teacher should expect the hagwon to sue in civil court where maybe everything could be straightened out, again, only as a very last result. However, if the teacher wasn't planning ever return or stick around for however long(1 year or so) to see a possible case to the end then why not get a little pay back in some manner before you leave without salary money + owed?

Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:17 am Post subject:

slothrop wrote:

no better idea. i was just trying to be funny. your idea is interesting. like going after al capone for not paying his taxes because you can't get him for murder.LOL but mbc, the korean people, and the international media don't care about this issue. they have bigger fish to fry than the hurt feelings of foreign english teachers and a few guys married to korean women.

i think the best thing to do is talk about the real issues and their causes, not to change anything in the near future, but just to not let people rationalize it away or be in denial about it. in the end when the truth is accepted in OUR minds and is revealed through our daily conversations with koreans and each other they will have no choice but to deal with their dillusional conceptual framework and their acceptance of racism on an individual basis.

one thing to start with is to stop acting like it's ok to keep being tested for aids and drugs. if you are tested anymore than your korean coworker it is racist. i'm not saying don't take the test and get fired or get deported, btw, but at least let every teacher in your school and your principal and the MOE and your doctor know that you feel it is a pure unadulterated racism and you think less of them for it.

1 thing you could do is the next time a documentary like this is aired... when you show up to work the next day tell your coworkers that you are "embarrassed for korea" because of their racist media. this may work better than getting angry.

This wasn't about foreign teachers. This was an attack on all Westerners who live in Korea, not only EFL instructors. It didn't say instructors, and the Western media does care. Many reported on it, and many asked the Korean Government for comments, and all they would say is they have no control over MBC, and it's a private group. We know that's all just face-saving comments. I'm sure they were embarrassed somewhat. Also, a friend of mine who can read Korean told me that a conservative newspaper trashed that MBC video as horribly unprofessional. I think it's not business as usual.