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Higgs boson 99.99% likely to exist
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crisdean



Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul Special City

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otus wrote:
My physics is also more than a little rusty now but does this change the results of the Michelson - Morley experiment or is there another such experiment that actually verifies the existence of this aether?

Sorry - being lazy at the moment. I will read up on it some more - but overturning Michelson-Morley results would be crucial for it - no?


Thanks for this, I'd never heard about this experiment, it was an interesting read.

Given that it's been stated that the neither the Higgs Boson nor the Higgs field interact with photons (hence the reason photons have no mass) and the aether (for which Michelson - Morley gave a negative result) was the proposed medium through which light propagates (ie photons would interact with it) I'd say the existence of the Higgs Boson or the Higgs Field doesn't (in and of itself) require nor deny the existence of the aether. In other words it doesn't directly say anything about the aether.

However neither quantum mechanics nor relativity require it, and essentially deny its existence.
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pegasus64128



Joined: 20 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:49 am    Post subject: Re: Higgs boson [God particle] 99.99% likely to exist Reply with quote

The Cosmic Hum wrote:


Anyway...leave off the religious stuff...just sayin.



Here's a link to the press release:

http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2012/PR17.12E.html
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Higgs boson [God particle] 99.99% likely to exist Reply with quote

pegasus64128 wrote:
I won't discuss this any more with you as you appear to be brainwashed by some idea 'R' is evil - maybe you're from a Bible belt state or maybe you just watched the movie 'Contact' too many times.


Listen up sweetpea...give it a rest.
You had an agenda and got called on it.
You are too much of a coward to admit it...so you start with making up nonsense about origins and movie preferences. Rolling Eyes

Not that we should expect too much from an intelligent design cheerleader...go God!

Not sure what the rest of your post links were meant to do.
Couldn't be arsed to care at this point.

Again...give it a rest.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cosmic Hum: I believe his use of quotation marks around intelligent desin was meant to be sarcastic. Just a guess, who knows how quotes and such work at the moment.
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
Cosmic Hum: I believe his use of quotation marks around intelligent desin was meant to be sarcastic. Just a guess, who knows how quotes and such work at the moment.


Yeah...you could be right...something sure does seem amiss.
I mean it is pretty comical to get called brainwashed by a religious nutter...but then again...stranger things get posted here at Dave's.
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pegasus64128



Joined: 20 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
Cosmic Hum: I believe his use of quotation marks around intelligent desin was meant to be sarcastic. Just a guess, who knows how quotes and such work at the moment.


'..' = single quotation marks which normally doesn't signify sarcasm to my knowledge.

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

Yeah...you could be right...something sure does seem amiss.
I mean it is pretty comical to get called brainwashed by a religious nutter...but then again...stranger things get posted here at Dave's.


religious nutter = hyperbole. Sounds like I hit a nerve tch.
There have been and are many "Religious" aka spiritually-minded scientists. Einstein and Tesla were spiritualists - what the cosmic fail would call ""Religious nutters"" Get well soon peeps!
I'm from a Scientific background myself btw.

You guys just keep trolling at it. It's what I expect from Dave's..

Oh, and you're right The Cosmic FAIL, I do have an agenda, to continue my fascination with Science and the more esoteric fields.

& to bait losers and frauds like TCH - pretenders..
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pegasus64128 wrote:

& to bait losers and frauds like TCH - pretenders..


So you admit that you're trolling?
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crisdean wrote:
your propulsion idea sounds somewhat familar, reminds me of a few different conversations I had with bright-eyed junior physics students in university. Physics students became less interesting as they advanced through their major, or maybe it was only the uninteresting ones that survived it...


It's not that we became less interesting, it's that we lacked the time to do anything else. A large percentage of physics majors end up in computer science or engineering right around third year when the concepts start to get straight up esoteric rather than just interesting or philosophical. I made the mistake of trying to balance a social life and a physics degree and ended up begging my professor to bump my grade up to C- from D in fourth year quantum physics so I could graduate.
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pegasus64128



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: