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ajosshi
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 Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:48 pm Post subject: SK's Lee Myung-bak to visit disputed islands (Dokdo) |
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I think he's finally growing a pair.
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South Korea's Lee Myung-bak to visit disputed islands (Dokdo)
South Korea's president is expected to visit islands also claimed by Japan, in a move set to raise diplomatic tensions between the two nations.
Lee Myung-bak's spokeswoman said the president would, weather permitting, fly by helicopter to the islands.
Japan's foreign minister has urged him to call off the visit, saying it would impact on ties.
The islands are known as Dokdo in South Korea and as Takeshima in Japan.
Both South Korea and Japan say they have a historical claim to the islands, and the issue has been a persistent irritant in relations.
The islets, which are roughly equidistant from the two countries, are small but lie in fishing grounds which could also contain large gas deposits.
"If the visit is made, it would go against our country's position and so we strongly urge its cancellation," Japanese Foreign Minister Koichiro Gemba told journalists. "We must respond to it firmly."
He said the visit "would definitely have a large impact" on ties.
The South Korean president will first visit Ulleung Island before flying on to the disputed area, reports said. Mr Lee would be the first South Korean leader to visit the islands.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19204852 |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm tired of all this back and forth. Just fight it out and be done with it already. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| Must be slippin in the polls.... |
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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Ironic in that he had tried to sneak through the agreement that would've allowed Japanese troops on Korean soil in the event of an emergency...well not like anyone figured he abided by any principles 'cept self-preservation to begin with... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| I work with ROK officers. One of them told me today that he'd had an argument with his girlfriend over this. His view: LMB was being needlessly provocative. His view was that the Japanese PM would now have to go to Yakusuni Shrine. I was startled by his reaction. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:45 am Post subject: |
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The Japanese have better claim to the island under int'l law, and that's why South Korea won't submit the matter for resolution to the int'l courts.
Also, what else would South Korean Presidents do to stir up nationalist sentiment in the Korean minguk if they honored Korean-Japanese treaties and shared the resources around the island? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:54 am Post subject: |
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As far as I can see, LMB's trip today was an attempt to re-assert the claim that 'I hate the slimey Jap pigs more than you do' position, after that poorly handled military info deal that got stomped on a few weeks ago.
Sometimes, countries get all wrapped up in historic hate-fests and get blinded to the present/future threat (re: China). Just sayin'. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Zackback wrote: |
| I'm tired of all this back and forth. Just fight it out and be done with it already. |
They already did, several times. Japan has held Korea as its private posession numerous times throughout history.
Were it not for mongol, russian, american and Chinese help...Korea would be little more than a province of Japan. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| The Japanese have better claim to the island under int'l law, and that's why South Korea won't submit the matter for resolution to the int'l courts. |
This is exactly right. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Is it?
The fact that SK is in possession of the islands right now seems to me to be a pretty strong case. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Is it?
The fact that SK is in possession of the islands right now seems to me to be a pretty strong case. |
Okay, so following your logic, if Japan just takes over Korea militarily again (ie. making it a possession of Japan "now") then that would make a pretty strong case for why Korea should be a part of Japan? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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yup.
Especially if they occupy it for decades.
Not saying it's "right", it just is.
Think of how many lands around the world that are/were occupied - now, you figure the occupiers are just going to hand it over because of a claim?
Historically, both sides seem to have reasonable claims... but in the end, SK has it's troops/people on it.. so it belongs to them, IMO. |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Japan is just raising this territorial claim to gain more in others such as the sea area south of Jeju. Also Japan is just giving Korea a taste of their own medicine which seems to work. Korea needs Dokdo to be disputed to retain the significance of the place despite their protest every time it is disputed. |
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Blockhead confidence
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
yup.
Especially if they occupy it for decades.
Not saying it's "right", it just is.
Think of how many lands around the world that are/were occupied - now, you figure the occupiers are just going to hand it over because of a claim?
Historically, both sides seem to have reasonable claims... but in the end, SK has it's troops/people on it.. so it belongs to them, IMO. |
You're right when it comes to inhabited land - too much injustice would be meted out to people born in ex-colonial possessions, for example, if control was handed back to the original inhabitants.
But there won't be any refugee camps created if ownship of Dokdo exchanges hands even several times. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
The Japanese have better claim to the island under int'l law, and that's why South Korea won't submit the matter for resolution to the int'l courts.
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Actually there are two reasons why South Korea won't submit the matter. As far as they are concerned the islands have always belonged to them and currently are in their possession so the matter is closed.
And secondly there is a Japanese national (who was the former president) who sits on the court, thus (rightly or wrongly) there is a feeling among some that they won't get a fair hearing.
But if you have any proofs under international law why not provide them or at least a link or two? |
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