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raewon



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: subject verb agreement question (with latter) Reply with quote

Aging is important because the latter (depend/depends) on transmitted information.


Here is my question: If "the latter" is referring to a plural subject, which is the correct answer (depend/depends)? None of my references give an example of this, and I've found conflicting "opinions" on the net.

Thanks if you can shed the light on this one.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where does it say "aging" is plural?

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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your sentence doesn't make any sense. You only use 'the latter' if you are referring to the last of two or more nouns but in your sentence there's only one noun so you'd use 'it' What was the original sentence in its entirety?
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raewon



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry - that sentence was a bad example for my question. Latter was referring to a plural noun in the previous sentence (so I was told).
Would that be possible?

Anyway, imagine the following:

~.....[Noun 1] and [Plural Noun 2] because the latter (depend/depends)
on ~.

In that structure, does the agreement go with "the latter" (depends)
or with [Plural noun 2] (depend)?

Thanks for the replies.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyway, imagine the following:


Can you give us an example sentence? You are using "latter" to refer to the plural noun so it would still be "depends". It's like a pronoun, "he/she" (is) or "they" (are).

I am not seeing where you are going with it.
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iggyb



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Which do you think I should use to kill him - this gun or some knives, because the latter depend on availability? I always have the gun here in my pocket, but I'd have to borrow the knives.


That is the best I could think of at the moment.

I think you'd use plural because "the latter" refers to a plural noun...

Quote:
Either the boy or those girls stole the book. The former looks like a thief. The latter look too cute to have done it.


That would seem to be a somewhat similar principle.

The former or the latter is an either/or construction. If it were an "and" construction, you'd always use the plural (depend) because you'd always be referring back to more than 1 thing.

But with an either/or construction - 1 item could be singluar and the other plural - like in the example above. Looks for "the boy" and look for "those girls"...
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iggyb



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the test to see which is correct (depend or depends) is to substitute the referred to noun for "the later":

Quote:
Which do you think I should use to kill him - this gun or some knives, because the latter depend on availability? I always have the gun here in my pocket, but I'd have to borrow the knives.


Quote:
...because the knives depend on availability.
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raewon



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies.

Thanks, iggyb - yes - those examples illustrate what I was trying to express.
Thanks a lot.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it is "the latter". "The latter" is always singular.
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raewon



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
Quote:
But it is "the latter". "The latter" is always singular.


iggy wrote

Quote:
Which do you think I should use to kill him - this gun or some knives, because the latter depend on availability?


Quote:
Either the boy or those girls stole the book. The former looks like a thief. The latter look too cute to have done it.


Then you would say that both of the above sentences are incorrect, and
"depends" and "looks" should be used?