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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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There's nothing to rethink. Again, I think it's idiotic to believe that it's pure happenstance that this character wound up in Korea and spams a Korean forum daily. It's a sham. |
I think you're on to something...It couldn't be happenstance that an American came to Korea AND joined a message board for foreigners in Korea.
Which are you thinking: Korean Sentry, DPRK spy, maybe former KGB? |
Nah, just a confused kid. |
Don't call me a kid. Call me confused, but don't call me a kid.
Who am I? An American English Teacher in Korea who joined a board for English Teachers in Korea. Same as many people on these boards. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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If a Korean came to your home country to work/study and said, why are all Americans/Brits/Aussies/etc stupid, fat, rude, etc...
Would any of us not comment on it? Or would it be a conflict of interest? |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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If a Korean came to your home country to work/study and said, why are all Americans/Brits/Aussies/etc stupid, fat, rude, etc...
Would any of us not comment on it? Or would it be a conflict of interest? |
I could see it being difficult to remain impartial. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Why does SR come here? Why does anyone come here? WTF issue is it to you? |
I'd guess 95% or (very likely) more of the westerners who come to Korea to teach (or who post on this board) are not of Korean descent. If he is of Korean descent, I think it is absolutely legitimate to infer that there may be a conflict of interest, or a psychologically self-veiled subjective motive, given the history/notoriety of the poster in question. Is it just random happenstance that he wound up in Korea, defensively spamming a Korean discussion board daily? I doubt that's the case.
And one could similarly ask you, "WTF issue is it to you?" |
I've got just as many posts as him, yet I'm as pale as they get. Why not call my ethnicity into question? Why is me being White not at the forefront of my posts? Why do people not constantly bring it up when I post?
Oh, wait - they did! On AsiaFinest and KoreanSentry, me being White was used to dismiss my opinions and experiences.
Here, it seems to be the popular trend to dismiss SR's posts because of his ethnicity. That shit has to stop. It's against the TOS and just plain ignorant.
He's welcome to share his thoughts on this forum, just like any other poster. If you don't like his opinions, address them. Attacking the poster, or their race/ethnicity is NOT what this forum is about. |
If people want to post their credentials to back up their argument, they need to be open to the possibility that those very credentials might be used to detract from their argument. If you tell me you taught in Japan for 11 years so you know what it's like to Japan I can respect that. If you taught in Japan for 11 years and you start talking to me about what it's like to teach in Korea, expect me to call you on it. It doesn't only work one way, you don't ONLY get credibility from your credentials.
If I was a white kid adopted by a Korean family and I went to the USA, and told all my Korean friends they were imagining things when they said white people discriminated against them it's possible they might tell me I don't understand. I don't think I would fully understand their experience either. I don't think they would be discriminating against me either. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think one's ethnicity would fall under the credentials category. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think one's ethnicity would fall under the credentials category. |
Age/Sex/Ethincity....they affect perspective.
Next time a girl comes on here and complains about sexual harassment, why don't you tell her how she is imagining things?
Next time an older person comes on here and complains about age discrimination, tell him he is imagining things.
It's about being able to relate to a specific situation. In Korea, ethinicity is very relevant to this. I don't like it, but it's true. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Styles |
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Was it always in fashion to express extreme negativity towards the U.S.A. (in other words, to illogically and unfoundedly hate us) or is this a recent trend?
I can't believe it was always this way. And also I don't know how any thinking person can feel good about being here. No offense intended, GOD BLESS you if you have found a way to make this situation work for you. I mean that. I personally just have realized that in so many ways it is a fundamentally impossible situation. We are essentially set up to fail here in my view..
Yes I am venting. Oh Lordy do I need to vent. |
Do you have a few weeks after your contract ends? Maybe you could take a tourist visa. It sounds like you don't really WANT to hate Korea. I would suggest taking some time before you head home and travel around the country as a tourist. Meet some local people that aren't psycho KTs or "seasoned vet" esl teachers that will only try to convince you everything is your fault.
Just learn a few Korean phrases, and when people ask you can tell them you are a tourist NOT and ESL teacher. You will see another side of the country. Not all people are anti-american, but the anti-american people that are here would like you to believe the entire country hates you. The sad truth is they want you to hate Korea too. It isn't true. Just finish up the last few weeks at your school and then relax and go sight seeing or something. You gave it a shot, and you didn't pull a runner. Now you can get on with your life faster and find a job you like. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
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| I don't think one's ethnicity would fall under the credentials category. |
Age/Sex/Ethincity....they affect perspective.
Next time a girl comes on here and complains about sexual harassment, why don't you tell her how she is imagining things?
Next time an older person comes on here and complains about age discrimination, tell him he is imagining things.
It's about being able to relate to a specific situation. In Korea, ethinicity is very relevant to this. I don't like it, but it's true. |
Age/Sex/Ethnicity can affect perspective, but they are not grounds to dismiss someone's judgment. Can you dismiss someone's testimony in a court of law because of their ethnicity?
Contrary to your perception, A majority of Koreans don't mistake me for a Korean and very rapidly are able classify my as American, for goodness sakes, most of my 1st grade students can get this concept.
For one thing, the way I naturally carry myself is a giveaway. Just as many Asians can differentiate between Chinese/Japanese/Korean in part by appearance, but also by dress and behavioral cues, so too with me being from overseas. In fact, there are numerous times where people addressed me in English, alone, and before I even opened my mouth or after uttering a simple word.
Did it ever occur to you that sometimes it results in me being treated worse? Sometimes, depending on the person, it might result in me being treated better. Most times, it doesn't change things. A nice person is a nice person, a jerk is a jerk. And certainly to suggest that somehow "I can't possible get it" and that my opinions are inherently biased and invalid (while somehow yours are not) is ridiculous.
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| Next time a girl comes on here and complains about sexual harassment, why don't you tell her how she is imagining things? |
But men still give advice, sit on juries, and testify when it comes to such cases and are free to do so without the accusation that their testimony is invalid because they are a man. Just as women can participate in a "man's issue" case as judge, lawyer, and attorney.
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| If I was a white kid adopted by a Korean family and I went to the USA, and told all my Korean friends they were imagining things when they said white people discriminated against them it's possible they might tell me I don't understand. I don't think I would fully understand their experience either. I don't think they would be discriminating against me either. |
But sometimes they are misinterpreting discrimination as something else. For example, many feel that Affirmative Action and admissions policies at universities are both discriminatory, and even worse, sponsored by the government and evidence of structural racism against Asians.
But of course when one understands the history of Affirmative Action (Ameri | | |
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