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sparkles98356



Joined: 19 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:33 am    Post subject: Please help! Reply with quote

Hi All!

I'm hoping you can offer me some advice. This is my first time coming to Korea and I was offered a job in a kindergarten in Seoul. Everything went fine, I received my visa from the Korean embassy in London yesterday and my flight is booked for tomorrow. However, my recruiter contacted me this morning saying that the school can no longer afford a new teacher and I now have two options:

Cancel my flight and sit tight at home while looking for a new job, or come to Korea tomorrow and look for a job while I'm there.

I have the funds to survive a couple of months, and I have some friends currently living in Seoul who have said they would be happy to put me up for a while so I don't have to use hotels the entire time, I'm just not sure what the best option is and I'm not sure what the technicalities would be with my visa and such like. My recruiter has said he will help me whatever I choose to do, but I would really appreciate some friendly advice!

Thanks!

Sparkles
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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my flight is booked for tomorrow


Too early to post about, yo wee yo!!

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Cancel my flight


Huh? You were naive enough to buy the ticket? Why? yo wee yo!!

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I'm just not sure what the best option is


How about finding a new school? Crazy idea, I know, meditate and think about it. I am sure the chakras will "enlighten" you.

Also, use many recruiters. Not just 1, yo wee yo!!
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sparkles98356



Joined: 19 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I'm maybe pretty naive, but I booked my flight because I'd signed a contract, sent my documents and got my visa. I was meant to be getting reimbursed from the school in my first pay. I thought this was standard for the majority of hagwons.

I'm aware I need to look for a new school, but I'm not sure whether it is best to come to Korea tomorrow with my visa, or cancel my flight (the school have claimed they will pay my cancellation fee) and look from the UK.

I'm sorry if I'm not making too much sense, I'm just a bit upset and know that there's plenty of experienced folk on here with some good advice.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless there's been a drastic shakeup at Immigration, you'll have to do all your paperwork in your country. You haven't actually arrived in Korea yet so you don't have the visa.

I'm sure ttomnpatz will correct me if I'm wrong.

Wait a moment! OP, you say you were offered a job at a kindergarten. When did kindergartens get permission to sponsor language teachers?


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cam83



Joined: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from the UK - you say you have funds for 2 months, so I assume you have already spoke with friends living here... if not, have a dig through this site for relevant threads about cost of living.

If you have enough funds to get you through a month or so, I'd say come here simply for the fact that there is MUCH higher chance of getting a job because you will be in-country, which saves hassle and will put you ahead of someone equivalent who is outside of Korea. Hell, you can even go to schools directly. I'd say you could easily get a kinder job within 2 weeks - visa issue is no hassle really, you'd just have to have it amended for your new employer.

A quick look on this job board whilst at Heathrow... apply for about 20 jobs and let us know where things stand by April 1st.

Good luck.
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sparkles98356



Joined: 19 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali - the school functiones as a private kindergarten during public school hours then an English hagwon later in the day. I'm not sure if that makes a difference?

Cam83 - thank you very much for the advice, especially about the visa. I really appreciate it. My recruiter had said much the same, but I just wanted to double check. My friends that live in Seoul have spoken to me about the cost of living so I'm certain I have a couple of months worth of money to survive. I suppose the worst case scenario is that I don't find a job before I run out of cash and have to head home. Thankfully my dad is kind enough to have offered up the return flight fare if that turns out to be the case. I'll let you know how I get on. Thanks agan!
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad news and good news.

Since you have a visa in your passport, IF you come to Korea and enter using that visa you will need a LOR to move to a new employer. Your old employer (the one who screwed you) is under NO legal obligation to offer a release to allow you to take new work.

If you do not have a LOR you will NOT be allowed to change jobs AND you have a 90 day limit (since you need to get your ARC within 90 days and can't do that without an employer).

You will also NOT get reimbursed for your flight if you get the job after you get to Korea. It will be sunk money.

The good news is that if you do NOT come to Korea your visa will expire in 90 days and you can start all over again with a minimum of fuss (other than getting new documents).

Other options: China, Taiwan or Thailand.

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sparkles98356



Joined: 19 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! I was hoping you would reply. My recruiter has told me that the school that screwed me over is more than willing to provide me with a LOR. Apparently they have suddenly decided that they can't afford another teacher. If it is the case that they do provide me with a LOR, I'm assuming I'm still tied to the 90 day rule? I couldn't afford to live longer than that minus any wages anyway.

Thanks for your help.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparkles98356 wrote:
Thanks! I was hoping you would reply. My recruiter has told me that the school that screwed me over is more than willing to provide me with a LOR. Apparently they have suddenly decided that they can't afford another teacher. If it is the case that they do provide me with a LOR, I'm assuming I'm still tied to the 90 day rule? I couldn't afford to live longer than that minus any wages anyway.

Thanks for your help.


GET your LOR (scan and hard copy) then start looking for jobs.
(don't fly without it or you may find yourself on the wrong side of the planet with no options other than fly home).

IF you don't mind losing the airfare then fly over first.
IF you don't want to lose the airfare then apply with LOR and visa in hand from abroad. You can fill those ASAP jobs and be at work wtihin days.

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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparkles98356 wrote:
CentralCali - the school functiones as a private kindergarten during public school hours then an English hagwon later in the day. I'm not sure if that makes a difference?


What's the name of this outfit, "Dodge City"? That's not even close to legitimate.

Look at your contract and see what it says. I mean, unless the contract the boss sent you is a different one than the one the boss sent to Immigration. Assuming that your contract in hand is the same as the one presented to Immigration, it'll say you're hired by Such-and-Such Language Institute to teach English, not to teach kindergarten. It will not have the word kindergarten in there. If for some reason it does mention kindergarten, then that boss and/or recruiter is doing the ol' double-contract swindle.

It's worth noting that it was the recruiter, not the boss, who suggested flying to Korea and job-hunting there. Apparently the recruiter didn't bother to mention to you anything about a letter of release, so I wouldn't be too sanguine about that recruiter's plan for the immediate future, especially when it could very well cost you every penny you have.

It's up to you what to do, of course, but if 'twere I, there's absolutely no way I'd get on that plane without having the Letter of Release in hand.
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sparkles98356



Joined: 19 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My recruiter did mention a letter of release to me when giving me the option of flying over to job hunt. He also didn't put any pressure on me to fly over; it was mentioned alongside the option of staying at home and job hunting. When he talked about staying at home and job hunting he said that due to having a LOR, I would be able to use the same visa that is in my passport (provided I find a job within 3 months). I am perhaps still being naive, but I don't see what my recruiter would have to gain from me flying out and job hunting through him when I wouldn't be able to take a job? That surely wouldn't earn him any money?

For what it's worth, he has emailed me a scan of the LOR today and I have printed it off. I'm hoping that this is security enough for me to get on the plane tomorrow without too much worry.

Thank you for your replies Smile
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watergirl



Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Ansan, south korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey so you're ok if you have a LOR.
Be warned that if you come here 1st, most jobs won't pay the airfare u orginally paid to get here.
Also, definitely don't stay with just one recruiter. It will take much longer to get a job, and, sorry to say, but really take many things a recruiter says with a large DOSE of SALT. Really. So, if they say the school is five minutes walk from the subway, actually check-it out yourself.

How is your experience? or do you have something like a degree in English that employers are really looking for? Even being here, it takes a bit of time to get a better job.

IF not, u might have to wait for a decent job anyways.

But that said, you have friends here, so you can likely get some pt (illegal) work to tide you over, and you're not stranded as you'll know how to get around with your friend's help.
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le-paul



Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre

PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know this doesnt answer your original query, but if youd like the email of a recruiter ive used in the past, i can provide one for you.Last time i spoke to him, he said he had a lot of positions (so long as you dont mind being outside of seoul).
www.knrecruting.com. his name is kevin ku (btw, before i get shot down, im not making any money out of this, just trying to help a fellow traveller)
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cam83



Joined: 27 Jan 2013
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

watergirl wrote:
Hey so you're ok if you have a LOR.
Be warned that if you come here 1st, most jobs won't pay the airfare u orginally paid to get here.
Also, definitely don't stay with just one recruiter. It will take much longer to get a job, and, sorry to say, but really take many things a recruiter says with a large DOSE of SALT. Really. So, if they say the school is five minutes walk from the subway, actually check-it out yourself.

How is your experience? or do you have something like a degree in English that employers are really looking for? Even being here, it takes a bit of time to get a better job.

IF not, u might have to wait for a decent job anyways.

But that said, you have friends here, so you can likely get some pt (illegal) work to tide you over, and you're not stranded as you'll know how to get around with your friend's help.


Don't even think about it! Seriously. People do it and and your friends may even encourage it, but it isn't worth the risk if you plan being here a while and have no first hand experience of life here. If you have your visa, LOR and you're not too fussed about getting the airfare back.. I would be surprised if you didn't have a job within 2 weeks.
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sparkles98356



Joined: 19 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for all your replies. My degree is in English and I have completed a TEFL certificate. I don't have much in the way of relevant experience.

I arrived today and am staying with a friend for the time being. I'm going to start the job hunt on Monday and am keeping my fingers crossed. I'm not brave enough to go the illegal route work wise, so I'm just going to be frugal with what money I do have and hope for the best. Thank you all for your advice and I'll keep you posted.
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