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Dodge7
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject: Chinese Troops Now Moblizing on Border Backing N Korea |
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They are also conducting naval live fire drills. Looks like it'll be US/SKorea vs. China/NKorea.
Nothing will probably happen but it's interesting that the Chinese are mobilizing. Maybe they are taking the NORKS threats more seriously than we are. Maybe they know something we don't know. All I know is if China starts in fighting against America it'll all hit the fan and escalate to high levels.
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Patrick Bateman
Joined: 21 Apr 2009 Location: Lost in Translation
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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China is mobilizing tanks along the border. That sounds more like they are posturing themselves against North Korea. That's completely excluding the economic restrictions, especially in the form of oil (lifeblood of war), that China is placing on North Korea.
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Basically China is sending mixed-messages. On the one hand its suggesting that it will still honor its defense treaty, on the other hand it is clearly sending a message to the Norks that if THEY are the ones to go crazy and start engaging in a war of aggression that China will not hesitate to execute regime change. The important thing to note is that there is little in the way of cooperation between China and NKorea militarily in these movements. You aren't seeing the same kind of dramatic shows of support for the Nork regime from China as you are from the US.
China's nuclear weapons are rapidly becoming as much about deterring Chinese action as they are UK-SK.
Remember when it comes to the artillery bombardment deterrence, time is not on North Korea's side. Given the explosion in trade between the South and China, and the increasing number of Chinese businesses and students in Seoul, the window is closing (or already closed) on North Korea being able to lob shells into Seoul and not angering China and damaging Chinese interests. |
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le-paul

Joined: 07 Apr 2009 Location: dans la chambre
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:17 am Post subject: |
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you know steelrails, you could have written half a doctorate dissertation with the amount of energy youve expelled on these posts. why dont you use your energies for something more constructive (and i dont mean that as a put down)? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:55 am Post subject: |
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China's not doing anything to back a "boarder" (border!). What they're doing is flexing their muscles to give the current government (Americans would call it administration) in Japan a message and it's not mixed at all. The Chinese government isn't all that impressed by Japanese claims to some islands or the actions of some Japanese vessels.
The recent threats from North Korea were just bluster, designed to show their own populace that the big boys--the US and South Korea--that the North's leadership has clout. Of course it doesn't, but it's always good to whip up anger amongst a repressed population against an outside entity. Otherwise, the locals might get some untoward ideas into their heads like rebellion. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:24 am Post subject: |
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le-paul wrote: |
you know steelrails, you could have written half a doctorate dissertation with the amount of energy youve expelled on these posts. why dont you use your energies for something more constructive (and i dont mean that as a put down)? |
Because I suck at life sometimes.
And you're right. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:30 am Post subject: |
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It's probably good - especially for people living in Korea - to express all their ideas and concerns about the complex, potentially dangerous situation, and reasoned discussion can help sort out what's what.
As far as China's intent goes, I think its clearly mixed: http://news.yahoo.com/chinas-anger-north-korea-overcomes-worry-over-u-210234713.html
The beginning of the article cites some Chinese military experts who mostly blame North Korea for the crisis, while by the end of the article other Chinese military experts blame the U.S. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Troops on the China/N.Korea border are more about keeping refugees out of China than anything else.
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Remember when it comes to the artillery bombardment deterrence, time is not on North Korea's side. Given the explosion in trade between the South and China, and the increasing number of Chinese businesses and students in Seoul, the window is closing (or already closed) on North Korea being able to lob shells into Seoul and not angering China and damaging Chinese interests. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:34 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
the window is closing (or already closed) on North Korea being able to lob shells into Seoul and not angering China and damaging Chinese interests. |
I'd say that time has already passed.
In case you missed it, China began to align itself against Korea months ago.
Kim missed his window.
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Is China getting uneasy with North Korea?
The Globe and Mail
Published Thursday, Apr. 04 2013
....there are signs that China, its only outside friend in the world, is beginning to distance itself, too.
China�s key decision earlier this year to back a new round of economic sanctions against North Korea, after the isolated regime launched a missile into orbit and conducted an underground nuclear test.
Perhaps more significantly, at the United Nations, China worked together with the United States � not among its closest diplomatic friends � to draw up the penalties.
�That was a clear departure from past policies
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/is-china-getting-uneasy-with-north-korea/article10794939/ |
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Died By Bear

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ajuma

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