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nickwils
Joined: 30 Apr 2007
Location: Asia
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 Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: Asked to come to the ROK without a visa. |
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I've been asked to travel to the ROK without a visa and then make a visa run to Osaka or somewhere in a couple of months.
Is this a common request?
Any views great appreciated. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not common, and illegal. You can't work without a visa, and unless they are expecting you to sit here for 2 months with no income, they're asking you to work illegally. You can probably contact immigration and get yourself a reward. |
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| DON'T do it. If you get caught, you will have to pay a huge fine and will be deported, and barred from ever returning to Korea. |
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nickwils
Joined: 30 Apr 2007
Location: Asia
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| cincynate wrote: |
| DON'T do it. If you get caught, you will have to pay a huge fine and will be deported, and barred from ever returning to Korea. |
The fine would suck but the ban is no real loss.
I know people who have done it for years with no issues.
How would you get caught? Does anyone even check for this type of thing? |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:59 am Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
| It's not common, and illegal. You can't work without a visa, and unless they are expecting you to sit here for 2 months with no income, they're asking you to work illegally. You can probably contact immigration and get yourself a reward. |
I disagree a bit. This is quite common. Some schools like people to come over now, then later send them on a visa trip. Yes, like alongway said it is illegal! AND the length the time of a couple months IS NOT common. Common is a week or two, maybe up to month before sending the teacher on to Japan.
Some schools do this, because well they are unprepared and do things last minute. So getting someone to come over and work under the table till they get things in order can help.
Other schools can use it as a dodge. For someone to come over and work illegally for a short while, then get rid of the teacher. Allows them to save on taxes, tickets, and such. The more time a school ask you to wait on visa trip the more likely it is not going to end well. Sort of a pump em and dump em routine. Or as a way to hire them as for probationary time. A test 'em out scheme. Which can work for or not work for expat teacher.
If you are worried about the work illegally and time period. Then do get some leverage. If they want you over right away, then they will pay for plane ticket. Make sure they at least have a place for you to stay.
Good Luck. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Shouldn't you ask for both roundtrip plane tickets if you're going to do that illegal stunt? |
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nickwils
Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Why? If you're going to do a visa run to Japan why would you need return flight home?
They've never asked me at immigration for proof of onward travel. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:41 am Post subject: |
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It is common for places to ask you to work a week or so, but 2 months?
What that says to me is that the school may have some money/organizational problems. Chances of getting burnt = high. |
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nickwils
Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| This time scale came via the recruiter. I will query it. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Shouldn't you ask for both roundtrip plane tickets if you're going to do that illegal stunt? |
I would say at least a one way ticket. Two way would prove some trust worthiness. At least with the one way, if the job explodes up, the OP could then move on to try and find a new job.
Surprised this is coming from the recruiter as the delay of visa trip can mean a delay on them getting paid. Usually a recruiter gets paid when the teacher has a visa and settled in after a month or two.
If you do go with working under the table, HOLD on to your paperwork. Do not give to the recruiter or school. Only hand it over until the employer is ready to start the application and do it in a timely matter.
As "some waygook-in" commented if a place is disorganized the chances of being burned go up. If a business is not organized enough to get a teacher, they will likely not be as good when it comes to other things like schedule or pay. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Don't come to Korea until you have multiple apostilled CBC's in hand and multiple copies of your diploma notarized and apostilled. Also have plenty of cash in hand when you come, Korea is expensive. Then come to Korea anyway you want for a while and look for other legitimate jobs. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| don'tt b stupid. tell the recruiter u want round-trip airfare to korea AND japan guaranteed up front before u will consider anything. |
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nickwils
Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Don't come to Korea until you have multiple apostilled CBC's in hand and multiple copies of your diploma notarized and apostilled. Also have plenty of cash in hand when you come, Korea is expensive. Then come to Korea anyway you want for a while and look for other legitimate jobs. |
Multiple? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Asked to come to the ROK without a visa. |
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| nickwils wrote: |
I've been asked to travel to the ROK without a visa and then make a visa run to Osaka or somewhere in a couple of months.
Is this a common request?
Any views great appreciated. |
This is a fairly common request. It is also illegal and a big, bright, red flag that you are being asked to teach illegally - and especially for a "couple of months" and not just weeks. It often ends up being longer and there are many complications and potential drawbacks in addition to the chance of being caught, fined and deported.
Just say "no" to illegal teaching. There are plenty of legal jobs.
Do not come to Korea without an E2 visa in your passport. Do not teach or agree to teach illegally. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| nickwils wrote: |
| Why? If you're going to do a visa run to Japan why would you need return flight home? |
Well, if the OP's worked in Korea before then it's a non-issue. If he hasn't...
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| They've never asked me at immigration for proof of onward travel. |
You were lucky. And that luck depends on a number of factors, apparently the biggest one being the willingness of the folks conducting the plane boarding to subject their company to the risk of a fine. |
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