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[andrewchon]

The problem isn't welfare. The problem is: real estate. More correctly put: bank estate. Banks own far too much of the housing and charge far too much in rates. That's why people can't get out of poverty. Back in 2008 sub-prime meltdown, US gov saved the banks and freddie mac but not the tenants. Those foreclosed people are the poor. The poor gets attacked as lazy, etc because that re-directs the attack away from the real thieves: Wall St. So, get off the back of the unfortunates while you can, Wall St. is coming after you, too.

[radcon]

As is stands today, the US govt. is ten times the size in budget as it was in 1969. TEN TIMES. In 1969 the US was fighting Vietnam and putting a man on the moon. Today the US has no possible means to even get a man into space.

[World Traveler]

[radcon]

I think what it boils down to in the US is that the elites have found successful strategies in monetizing (and hence transferring wealth) from the poor and middle classes to their immense benefit. Make it extremely easy to borrow huge sums of money for college, which in turn raises tuition costs, and keeps an indebted working class. War on drugs? Let's privatize the prisons and profit from keeping people behind bars undeservedly.

[World Traveler]

Your response sounds straight out of infowars.com.

The U.S. is a good place. Most people are successful and happy there.

And most people are making good money.

http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/united-states/

(I know, I know, the bottom 20% earns a lot less than the top 20%.
...But the bottom 20% is comprised largely of people like in those videos...and the top 20% is smart and industrious and hard working. Of course they deserve more money. They are actually working and producing and contributing to society. BTW, with the United States' big underground economy, it's hard to even know what the bottom 20% is making anyway. There is so much unclaimed off the books income.)

Lastly, college is a good investment. Economists say it is the single best investment a person can make in his lifetime. College grads average almost double the earnings of a high school grad during the course of their career and have roughly half the unemployment rate.

[radcon]

[World Traveler]

Wages from the 70s adjusted for inflation are the same or slightly different. Most people aren't living in prison. 99% aren't. This younger generation is lazy and as a result is working less. (Free government money discourages work.) Working folks have retirement savings in the form of pension and social security...except for ESL workers in Korea because they are not paying into it and having it matched by their employer. About college tuition...it has gone up...BUT...it is still a good investment. Economists say so. The U.S. is not doomed. Immigrants from around the world are desperate to get in and get American citizenship.

[rollo]

Why do I get the idea that most of the posters here are not americans and just spewing B.S.

The topic was welfare. i think that most agree that the form of welfare that was created in the 60's war of poverty is outdated and actually a hindrence to people trying to escape poverty.

Texas has a huge illegal immigrant population which is generally impoverished. Norway does not have that. For the population and the geograpic and ethnic diversity the U.S. is rich.

[World Traveler]

There are loads of Canadians on Dave's. A disproportionate amount I think. (Also, there are some "stop the NWO" U.S.A. dudes on here, but to a lesser degree.) But you're right, the people insisting the U.S. economy is horrible are almost always Canadian (Weigookin74, PatrickGHBusan, 12ax7, TheUrbanMyth, ttompatz, etc.). Maybe Canadian TV has a lot of news about how the U.S. economy is in the gutter. (Maybe it's national pride or something like how Canada supposedly has better health care and a better government and all that.)

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[12ax7]