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| Do you use "take a rest" and "frankly speaking"? |
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| I only use "frankly speaking" |
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| I only use "take a rest" |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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"Take a rest" always irked me a bit. I actually used to present it to students as a common example of phrases that I heard from them often but that should be avoided.
"Cheer up" is another one. To be fair, I use online dictionaries often when I'm looking for how to say something in a foreign language, but I think I have pretty good awareness of when the translation sounds manufactured or otherwise unnatural.
I don't think "frankly speaking" is wrong when used in the proper context. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| Also, "long time no see" seems like Konglish too. It certainly doesn't sound like proper English. |
I seem to recall reading that the phrase has its origins in Chinese and made its way into English that way.
*googles*
Well there is nothing decisive about its origins, but the China thing is plausible.
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Frankly speaking is probably based on someone obsessing with a grammatically proper expression. I have noticed that many Koreans, when translating into English, have some weird hang-ups about adverbs, particularly with placement within the sentence. Just a guess.
Take a rest I have no idea. Relax is preferable. |
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Engrish Mufffin
Joined: 09 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| nate1983 wrote: |
"Cheer up" is another one. To be fair, I use online dictionaries often when I'm looking for how to say something in a foreign language, but I think I have pretty good awareness of when the translation sounds manufactured or otherwise unnatural.
I don't think "frankly speaking" is wrong when used in the proper context. |
What's wrong with cheer up? It's a normal English phrase, just used in the wrong situations by Koreans. For example it's annoying when I say I'm annoyed or mad about something and they say "cheer up" lol
And what would be the proper context for using frankly speaking? I can't think of a good where that can't be replaced by: quite frankly, frankly, to be frank, to be honest or honestly. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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Hmm, I'm pretty sure I've used both in the past. "Take a rest" is definitely a sports phrase but it really is a strange thing to say to someone unless they're your relief pitcher or something. These days I only say it if I have to put a fool down. Yes, I mean kill someone.
Oh yeah, that "cheer up" BS makes me angry, I hate it when people say that to me. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Hmm, I'm pretty sure I've used both in the past. "Take a rest" is definitely a sports phrase but it really is a strange thing to say to someone unless they're your relief pitcher or something. These days I only say it if I have to put a fool down. Yes, I mean kill someone.
Oh yeah, that "cheer up" BS makes me angry, I hate it when people say that to me. |
It's commonly used after any hard work. If someone is out digging a ditch all day you'd surely say "Take a rest" to them. |
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r2b2ct
Joined: 14 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| The phrase "take a rest" seems normal to me. I've definitely heard it used in California, but it's only used like "take a break." If you are jogging "let's take a rest" sounds fine to me. If you are just tired and not resting 'from' some activity you would say "get rest" or "rest". |
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Engrish Mufffin
Joined: 09 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
| augustine wrote: |
Hmm, I'm pretty sure I've used both in the past. "Take a rest" is definitely a sports phrase but it really is a strange thing to say to someone unless they're your relief pitcher or something. These days I only say it if I have to put a fool down. Yes, I mean kill someone.
Oh yeah, that "cheer up" BS makes me angry, I hate it when people say that to me. |
It's commonly used after any hard work. If someone is out digging a ditch all day you'd surely say "Take a rest" to them. |
I'd say "take a break."
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The phrase "take a rest" seems normal to me. I've definitely heard it used in California, but it's only used like "take a break." If you are jogging "let's take a rest" sounds fine to me. If you are just tired and not resting 'from' some activity you would say "get rest" or "rest". |
I agree with this. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| I'd say "take a break." |
That would only apply if you were intending to go back to work in the near future. If you were done for the day, you certainly wouldn't be "taking a break" |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| Engrish Mufffin wrote: |
What's wrong with cheer up? It's a normal English phrase, just used in the wrong situations by Koreans. |
That's my point, it's used in the wrong situations. I think Koreans tend to use it in the same manner as "힘내!" which it does not mean at all. |
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tmax500
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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"Take a rest" is in all the dictionaries. Used in 800+ movies including many famous ones: http://www.subzin.com/s/Take+a+rest
"Frankly speaking" is outdated and somewhat pompous. Used in 100+ movies: http://www.subzin.com/search.php?q=frankly+speaking. I would discourage regular use of this by students.
"Long time no see" is a bizarre borrowed expression from the Chinese "hao jiu bu jian". |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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wow..post fail.
You didn't search take a rest with quotes
Here is one your results:
"01:10:01 "Rest up." "Let the kid take a few games.""
the rest of what you said is about as accurate or relevant.
Search like this:
http://www.subzin.com/search.php?q=%22Take+a+rest%22 |
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tmax500
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Okay so only 554 then, boo hoo! |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Okay so only 554 then, boo hoo! |
It has to do with context. In a basketball game, the coach can say, "Hey, time to take a rest."
When your Korean student says they will "take a rest" over the weekend, that doesn't sound right. If one of my Canadian friends in Korea told me they were going to "take a rest tomorrow," it's only a question of who would crack up first. |
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tmax500
Joined: 12 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| nate1983 wrote: |
| tmax500 wrote: |
| Okay so only 554 then, boo hoo! |
It has to do with context. In a basketball game, the coach can say, "Hey, time to take a rest."
When your Korean student says they will "take a rest" over the weekend, that doesn't sound right. If one of my Canadian friends in Korea told me they were going to "take a rest tomorrow," it's only a question of who would crack up first. |
Of course it has to do with context, every word we utter has to do with context. If I had a very long and busy working week I might well "take a well deserved rest over the weekend". It is a foreign teacher's job to explain the context usage, hence the need for foreign teachers. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I grew up in Wisconsin and both "take a rest" and "frankly speaking" sound completely natural to me. |
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