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Is there any aspect of Korea that's not corrupt?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.havocscope.com/tag/canada/ $77.83 Billion

http://www.havocscope.com/tag/south-korea/ $26.2 Billion


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Joe Boxer



Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

http://www.havocscope.com/tag/south-korea/ $26.2 Billion


There are 1.2 million prostitutes in South Korea?
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alongway



Joined: 02 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Boxer wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:

http://www.havocscope.com/tag/south-korea/ $26.2 Billion


There are 1.2 million prostitutes in South Korea?


That comes from this article:
http://news.yahoo.com/skorea-secret-runaway-teen-prostitution-084457639.html

which has the fact vaguely, and not directly sourced to, "authorities"

It's unknown where that number comes from, but my guess one of those special interest groups that likes to hyper inflate numbers by including anyone remotely connected to prostitution (female hair dresser who styles a prostitute's hair? that's one. Taxi driver who picks her up, that's another). The keyword is "involved" it doesn't actually say they are prostitutes. For every real prostitute there could be 10 to 20 people "involved".
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Boxer wrote:
matthagwon wrote:
The ajumma mafia reigns supreme in Korea Twisted Evil


That's true! One of my students' mothers told me that she was trying to sell her apartment, and she got a visit from a group of ajummas that told her that there was a certain price that she could NOT sell below.


Well that seems like smart business to me in an apt / condo situation. Market value will be based on comparables in the same building or nearby buildings so sale price is important to everyone there.
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cmxc



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: Republic of Kor(ruption) Reply with quote

When even the Korea Times, a rag not well known for unbiased reporting, decries the amount of corruption in Korea, we know it's sickeningly bad.

In Transparency International's latest survey, Korea continues to fall in the rankings.

Even former President Lee said "The entire nation is rotten." Of course, his own brother was sentenced to jail for corruption related charges.

The point is that Korea does not take corruption seriously. If other Asian nations like Singapore can root out corruption and come in toward the top of the rankings, then why can't Korea end its endless cycle of corruption "considering how corruption is all-pervasive in each and every group of people in this society; from civil servants to businesspeople and even entertainers and athletes."

Republic of Kor(ruption)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2013/12/202_147464.html
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Korea needs to do is to promore a system of bureacracy, laws, lobbyists and PACs so that its corruption will become legalized.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
What Korea needs to do is to promore a system of bureacracy, laws, lobbyists and PACs so that its corruption will become legalized.

Why fix what ain't broke? Just as Korea can boast of the world's healthiest food, kimchi, it can lay claim to the one of the finest systems of corruption in the world.

In fact, few know that it was only after consulting with Korean advisors that Indonesia pushed its way to the top of the corruption rankings. This of course has led to much chagrin on the part of the bureaucrats who gave away invaluable Korean state secrets.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wishfullthinkng wrote:
nooooo!! not real and relevant information!

you're going to either make the op's head explode or more likely send him into a dark spiral of further denial.

Did you click on the link? According to it, South Korea is far more corrupt than the countries from which we come. What do you think of that, America basher?
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alongway



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
wishfullthinkng wrote:
nooooo!! not real and relevant information!

you're going to either make the op's head explode or more likely send him into a dark spiral of further denial.

Did you click on the link? According to it, South Korea is far more corrupt than the countries from which we come. What do you think of that, America basher?


"The Corruption Perceptions Index ranks countries and territories based on how corrupt their public sector is perceived to be" it's a subjective ranking, and I'm curious who it is they asked in NK...and frankly any rating that gives NK a positive score can't really be trusted.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude. North Korea was dead last (tied with Somalia). Do you honestly believe Canada (your home country) is more corrupt than South Korea? Or equally corrupt? (As if both countries would have exactly equal amounts of corruption. What an amazing coincidence that would be.) Confused
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alongway



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Dude. North Korea was dead last (tied with Somalia). Do you honestly believe Canada (your home country) is more corrupt than South Korea? Or equally corrupt? (As if both countries would have exactly equal amounts of corruption. What an amazing coincidence that would be.) Confused

it was still given a score above zero. There were 3 or 4 countries given a score of 8.

I honestly think Canada is very corrupt. Right now the government is in the middle of strong arming a bunch of natives so that some gas company can come in and pollute people's ground water.

Is it more corrupt than Korea, well, there is probably no one in a position to give a definitive answer, but it is far more corrupt than most people's rose colored glasses allows them to see.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alongway wrote:
it was still given a score above zero.

So what? Who's to say there aren't some good government workers in that country who want to help people. Sincere people exist everywhere. The outside world knows very little of North Korea. Just give them an automatic zero every time? They are already in last place. What more do you want?
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Ginormousaurus



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alongway wrote:

I honestly think Canada is very corrupt. Right now the government is in the middle of strong arming a bunch of natives so that some gas company can come in and pollute people's ground water.


I think you have it backwards. Those violent natives are attempting to strong arm the government and the oil company. They were the ones who brought weapons to their "peaceful" protest and proceeded to torch a bunch of cop cars when the police were attempting to enforce the rule of law. Were the homemade bombs they brought intended to highlight their peaceful intentions?
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misher



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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World Traveler wrote:
Dude. North Korea was dead last (tied with Somalia). Do you honestly believe Canada (your home country) is more corrupt than South Korea? Or equally corrupt? (As if both countries would have exactly equal amounts of corruption. What an amazing coincidence that would be.)

it was still given a score above zero. There were 3 or 4 countries given a score of 8.

I honestly think Canada is very corrupt. Right now the government is in the middle of strong arming a bunch of natives so that some gas company can come in and pollute people's ground water.

Is it more corrupt than Korea, well, there is probably no one in a position to give a definitive answer, but it is far more corrupt than most people's rose colored glasses allows them to see.



Jesus Christ.

Canada ain't perfect. NOWHERE is. A money market system is inherently corrupt imo so it will always exist.


But sorry if you think Canada and Korea are same same in this I just don't know what to say, The CPI index is not perfect but isn't so deeply flawed that you can't put any stock in the results. It's akin to university rankings. Highly subjective and you could argue the accuracy. However at the end of the day the GENERAL picture holds. Yale is better than U XYZ in whichever country. Anyone who argues against that either has their head in the sand or it's just sour grapes.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. ATTN: alongway, wishfulthinkng, and TheUrbanMyth- Canada and the United States have overall levels of corruptions which are generally less than what can be found in Korea. Measure the size of underground economies in each country. Also think of which countries have been developed the longest. Korea is a developing country (which hasn't been rich for long (and hasn't even been a democracy for long), and which is still significantly poorer (with less government infrastructure) than Canada and the U.S.).
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