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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| duhweecher wrote: |
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*sigh*
Rape is rape regardless of the gender or sex or whatever of the people involved. I'm pretty sure we don't need the insane number and variety of gender classifications that have been invented in the past few years to see this simple truth. |
Doubt that was every true. Rape has always been about gender. |
No. Rape has always been about one person violating another without their consent. The problems arise - as you so helpfully pointed out earlier - when you introduce specific laws for cases of sexual assault against specific genders - a la the transgender who was raped in Itaewon and had the charges downgraded to assault.
If anything, you should be arguing for less gender discrepancy, not giving us links to "Like me now on Facebook" references touting unsubstantiated theories about gradation of gender.
Also, what does "Doubt that was every true." even mean? You could learn a little something about clarity from Fox's posts. |
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I have no problem with a "methodology" when it's used to refer to a methodology. |
No, you made it clear you felt "methodology," a common-usage word with a completely transparent meaning, was a word I used to "sound smart." How ill-read must one be for such a word to induce such an impression I do not know, but your own failings are unimportant here, as my response is a general one. The trend in question is an example of the mediocrity promised by ever-broadening access to higher education. As access is expanded again and again by political and economic forces, the quality of the education must necessarily decrease, so as to accommodate the new target demographic. The trouble, of course, is that while the cleverness, insight, wisdom, or ability of these new students may be less, their pride is no smaller for it. No smaller, but far more sensitive, knowing as they do in their heart of hearts just what a sham it is in which they participate. Accordingly, they are highly susceptible to the sentiment, "You are no better than me!" Some express it directly, but most resort to indirect means, and attacking vocabulary is one such example. After all, if your interlocutor is "no better than you," then he must simply be putting on a show, trying to seem better than he truly is, and he must be put in his place!
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| My point, deary, is that you don't have a point. |
You can declare that you do not see my point a thousand more times, and my response will remain the same: "Of course you don't." Having said that, I see no need to keep repeating it.
I somewhat suspect that this poster is a puppet account designed for baiting, but no matter. If she is genuine, then she warrants my rants, and if not, then she enjoys trolling just as I enjoy ranting, so I am happy to play until I get bored. |
And apparently the feminist world is the one with the dramatics.
Excuse me miss, but you have yet to state your point. (definitely not Harvard material) |
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| duhweecher wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
*sigh*
Rape is rape regardless of the gender or sex or whatever of the people involved. I'm pretty sure we don't need the insane number and variety of gender classifications that have been invented in the past few years to see this simple truth. |
Doubt that was every true. Rape has always been about gender. |
No. Rape has always been about one person violating another without their consent. The problems arise - as you so helpfully pointed out earlier - when you introduce specific laws for cases of sexual assault against specific genders - a la the transgender who was raped in Itaewon and had the charges downgraded to assault.
If anything, you should be arguing for less gender discrepancy, not giving us links to "Like me now on Facebook" references touting unsubstantiated theories about gradation of gender.
Also, what does "Doubt that was every true." even mean? You could learn a little something about clarity from Fox's posts. |
Pure intellect....take a step back and think about it. |
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| duhweecher wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| duhweecher wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
*sigh*
Rape is rape regardless of the gender or sex or whatever of the people involved. I'm pretty sure we don't need the insane number and variety of gender classifications that have been invented in the past few years to see this simple truth. |
Doubt that was every true. Rape has always been about gender. |
No. Rape has always been about one person violating another without their consent. The problems arise - as you so helpfully pointed out earlier - when you introduce specific laws for cases of sexual assault against specific genders - a la the transgender who was raped in Itaewon and had the charges downgraded to assault.
If anything, you should be arguing for less gender discrepancy, not giving us links to "Like me now on Facebook" references touting unsubstantiated theories about gradation of gender.
Also, what does "Doubt that was every true." even mean? You could learn a little something about clarity from Fox's posts. |
Pure intellect....take a step back and think about it. |
"Rape is rape regardless of the gender or sex or whatever of the people involved."
Really |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| except making a fool of yourself by saying gender studies doesn't matter |
If tomorrow, Western nations (because it is only in the West that they teach this garbage) shut down all gender studies departments, the effect on society would be a positive one. Not only could a lot of money be saved, but all of the misguided women wasting their time learning such fluff might then be able to make a valuable contribution to society, rather than becoming a bunch of disagreeable, man-hating, unhappy, cat-collecting, screaming-about-the-patriarchy harridans. At the most, gender and ethnic studies type degrees should be modules within social studies (itself mostly a joke), not entire university departments. And while we are busy shutting down gender and ethnic studies departments, let's fire anyone whose job title starts with 'Diversity.' Well, I can dream. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| duhweecher wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| duhweecher wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
*sigh*
Rape is rape regardless of the gender or sex or whatever of the people involved. I'm pretty sure we don't need the insane number and variety of gender classifications that have been invented in the past few years to see this simple truth. |
Doubt that was every true. Rape has always been about gender. |
No. Rape has always been about one person violating another without their consent. The problems arise - as you so helpfully pointed out earlier - when you introduce specific laws for cases of sexual assault against specific genders - a la the transgender who was raped in Itaewon and had the charges downgraded to assault.
If anything, you should be arguing for less gender discrepancy, not giving us links to "Like me now on Facebook" references touting unsubstantiated theories about gradation of gender.
Also, what does "Doubt that was every true." even mean? You could learn a little something about clarity from Fox's posts. |
Pure intellect....take a step back and think about it. |
Think about what? Your atrocious grammar or your complete lack of argument aside from "I'm right, and you're wrong, nyah nyah nyah."?
Assuming the obvious typo: every = ever. "Doubt that was ever true." implies you think that what I said is true, but that it never has been true? Which makes possibly even less sense.
Also "Think about it." is not a rebuttal.
| duhweecher wrote: |
"Rape is rape regardless of the gender or sex or whatever of the people involved."
Really |
Neither is "Really".
Do you have a point here? |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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I don't understand why you think I originally posted intending to start a conversation with you. I've kindly left the door open for you to actually attempt to defend your position through rational argumentation, but make no mistake, absent such a compelling defense my interest lies in mocking your ideology and its self-absorbed practitioners, not listening to your transparent attempt at Internet face saving.
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Well, at least I'm the best at something I suppose. Golf claps all around. |
Bigverne wants to extend the limits of the mocking...can we also add theology/religious studies...or is that asking too much?
If yes...then most definitely...golf claps all around.  |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Duhweecher isn't providing a very effective foil (she already pulled the "You guys are stupid, I quit, bye," routine, but decided to edit it out shortly later for some reason), so I'm open to devoting the thread to open-ended mockery of anything and everything, as long as you can do it with sufficient grace as to not get the thread deleted. "If you don't acknowledge an infinitely diverse four-dimensional spectrum of gender, you're trampling on my rights!" seems easy enough to compare to, "If you don't allow me to actively impede my employees attempts to get affordable birth control, you're trampling on my religious freedom!" From there, you can transition into whatever particular element of religious studies it is with which you take issue. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
I don't understand why you think I originally posted intending to start a conversation with you. I've kindly left the door open for you to actually attempt to defend your position through rational argumentation, but make no mistake, absent such a compelling defense my interest lies in mocking your ideology and its self-absorbed practitioners, not listening to your transparent attempt at Internet face saving.
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Well, at least I'm the best at something I suppose. Golf claps all around. |
Bigverne wants to extend the limits of the mocking...can we also add theology/religious studies...or is that asking too much?
If yes...then most definitely...golf claps all around. |
Theology has a bit of historical precedence. We may as well keep some frivolous studies. How else are 70-80% of college students supposed to graduate? Gotta keep those tuition fees flowing. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
I don't understand why you think I originally posted intending to start a conversation with you. I've kindly left the door open for you to actually attempt to defend your position through rational argumentation, but make no mistake, absent such a compelling defense my interest lies in mocking your ideology and its self-absorbed practitioners, not listening to your transparent attempt at Internet face saving.
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Well, at least I'm the best at something I suppose. Golf claps all around. |
Bigverne wants to extend the limits of the mocking...can we also add theology/religious studies...or is that asking too much?
If yes...then most definitely...golf claps all around. |
Theology has a bit of historical precedence. We may as well keep some frivolous studies. How else are 70-80% of college students supposed to graduate? Gotta keep those tuition fees flowing. |
The purpose of university should be entirely divorced from such concerns. I would go as far as to say it should be divorced from employment as well. The focus of university should be pure self-improvement of such a kind that even if it never caused you to earn an additional cent throughout your entire life, it would still be of value, with the two primary branches being philosophy (meaning expressed directly) and the arts (meaning expressed symbolically). Most work skills, by contrast, should instead be acquired through apprenticeship-style structures. Law, medicine, and the sciences would greatly benefit from this approach, becoming both cheaper to study, and more practical. Religious studies would probably diminish, but those with a genuine interest in the Priesthood or the like would still learn theology first hand from members of their religion. Feminist studies would suffer most, but then again, the sour grapes of feminist studies would probably outright die on the vine without state funding and the illusion of respectability. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| duhweecher wrote: |
| andrewchon wrote: |
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| I'm a bit shocked that national newspapers & the OP (Gender Bender?) don't understand the difference between sex and gender. |
I'll be honest, I didn't know there was a difference between sex and gender either. Is this common knowledge? |
I thought sex was male, female for reproduction and gender was hetero, homo, bi, cross-dresser, but I think is a room for one more. Now that LeBron James has 'come out', as he said:
"I love myself, and I get turned on by me, and since I am a man, I must be gay."
time has come to add another letter to LGBT, and that is W for 'wanker'.
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A person's sex is anatomical; gender is mental and performative, eg social; sexual orientation is intimacy oriented, eg bisexual, homosexual, heterosexual (sexual identity & sexual orientation sometimes varies, the latter sometimes more like top/bottom, passive/active, butch/femme)...this is the typical way the jargon is used
LGBT is already LGBTIQAH; I is intersex; Q, queer; A, asexual; H, hyjrah (an India sexual group similar to hemaphrodites--the spelling escapes me) |
Numerous dictionaries define gender as sex, and sex as gender.
If an alternative definition is given that contradicts most dictionaries, it would be a good idea to provide a source. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
I don't understand why you think I originally posted intending to start a conversation with you. I've kindly left the door open for you to actually attempt to defend your position through rational argumentation, but make no mistake, absent such a compelling defense my interest lies in mocking your ideology and its self-absorbed practitioners, not listening to your transparent attempt at Internet face saving.
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Well, at least I'm the best at something I suppose. Golf claps all around. |
Bigverne wants to extend the limits of the mocking...can we also add theology/religious studies...or is that asking too much?
If yes...then most definitely...golf claps all around. |
Theology has a bit of historical precedence. We may as well keep some frivolous studies. How else are 70-80% of college students supposed to graduate? Gotta keep those tuition fees flowing. |
The purpose of university should be entirely divorced from such concerns. I would go as far as to say it should be divorced from employment as well. The focus of university should be pure self-improvement of such a kind that even if it never caused you to earn an additional cent throughout your entire life, it would still be of value, with the two primary branches being philosophy (meaning expressed directly) and the arts (meaning expressed symbolically). Most work skills, by contrast, should instead be acquired through apprenticeship-style structures. Law, medicine, and the sciences would greatly benefit from this approach, becoming both cheaper to study, and more practical. Religious studies would probably diminish, but those with a genuine interest in the Priesthood or the like would still learn theology first hand from members of their religion. Feminist studies would suffer most, but then again, the sour grapes of feminist studies would probably outright die on the vine without state funding and the illusion of respectability. |
In this day and age, would not theology suffer equally with feminist studies, especially without state funding and the illusion of respectability?
In fact, I suspect feminist studies is a growing concern where as theology is on the decline...yes?
Many have no love and little tolerance for either...feel free to tell us what you really think.
This thread is proving to be quite interesting. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:29 am Post subject: |
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In this day and age, would not theology suffer equally with feminist studies, especially without state funding and the illusion of respectability? |
What, in the era of mega churches and the Prosperity Gospel? It would probably suffer in quality, but not much in quantity. You'd see more Evangelical/Mormon style trash theology, and less scholasticism. There is still a degree of real economic demand for holy men, though, and people are still willing to write checks for their churches. To what comparable monetization structure can feminist/women's/racial/etc studies turn? Advertising cash in their blog? Books that will not sell nearly as well with no phony academic credentials?
I see no reason for the state to be subsidizing theology, but I bet religious organizations will largely pick up where the state leaves off (especially since they have a proven history of it). It's much harder for me to envision a great enclave of feminists creating and funding their own educational system and structure on any scale relevant to a modern state. "Never create anything, just demand access to whatever the 'Patriarchy' creates" is more or less standard feminist practice; these people are not going to be rising from the ashes on their own, absent Simon de Beauvoir rising from the grave and kicking them into action. Hell, even she was only interesting because she dated Sartre. |
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