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TheUrbanMyth
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The use of comfort women is so pervasive in Korean society that it's an international issue. Again, from the link:
A Los Angeles police spokesman said that about 90 percent of the department’s 70-80 monthly arrests for prostitution involve Korean women and Los Angeles police estimates that there are 8,000 Korean prostitutes working in that city and its suburbs. Korean women`s customers in foreign countries are mostly Korean men.
It's pretty obvious there's a very, very high tolerance for the use of comfort women in Korean society...as long as it's not the Japanese doing the pimping. |
Wow I had no idea Los Angeles was part of Korean society.
And not only that but this is also problematic
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Read the part about Russian prostitutes in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_South_Korea
In 2000, 3,064 Russians entered South Korea on E-6 visas, 2,927 of them women.
When only 4% of the E-6 visa recipients from Russia are men, it's an understatement to say it's sometimes used for human trafficking. For all practical purposes, the E-6 visa is a Sex Trafficking visa that is only sometimes used for legitimate, non-trafficking purposes. In short, it's state sponsored sex trafficking. |
Are you serious? You are going to use the stats for ONE YEAR 13 years ago and on that flimsy basis claim the E-6 visa is a "sex trafficking visa"?
Do you have any idea how absolutely silly that sounds? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Just because the visa is sometimes used for that purpose, doesn't mean that it is explicitly and exclusively used for that purpose. That's like saying green cards for mail order brides are state sponsored sex-slavery. |
Read the part about Russian prostitutes in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_South_Korea
In 2000, 3,064 Russians entered South Korea on E-6 visas, 2,927 of them women.
When only 4% of the E-6 visa recipients from Russia are men, it's an understatement to say it's sometimes used for human trafficking. For all practical purposes, the E-6 visa is a Sex Trafficking visa that is only sometimes used for legitimate, non-trafficking purposes. In short, it's state sponsored sex trafficking.
The same link says there are "hundreds of thousands" of Chinese women working in prostitution in South Korea. That means the number of Chinese comfort women in South Korea this very second is larger than the number of all nationalities of comfort women used by Japan during all of WWII.
Think about the Filipinas that are trafficked in on E-6 visas to be comfort women outside of US military bases in Korea. The purpose of their sexual slavery closely parallels that of the Korean women who had to service Japanese and Korean soldiers during WWII.
And then, of course, are the Korean women. In the link:
In 2003, the Korean Institute of Criminology announced that 260,000 women, or 1 of 25 of young Korean women, may be engaged in the sex industry. However, the Korean Feminist Association alleged that from 514,000 to 1.2 million Korean women participate in the prostitution industry.
The use of comfort women is so pervasive in Korean society that it's an international issue. Again, from the link:
A Los Angeles police spokesman said that about 90 percent of the department’s 70-80 monthly arrests for prostitution involve Korean women and Los Angeles police estimates that there are 8,000 Korean prostitutes working in that city and its suburbs. Korean women`s customers in foreign countries are mostly Korean men.
It's pretty obvious there's a very, very high tolerance for the use of comfort women in Korean society...as long as it's not the Japanese doing the pimping. |
Yes, but you can't deny someone an entertainment visa simply on the basis of gender or national origin. If they have all their ducks in order, you have to send them in, regardless of your suspicions.
I don't doubt that it is used for that, but you are going to have an entertainment visa so Eminem or Jamiroquai can come here and have a concert and so on. Unfortunately, the byproduct of that is that some shady people can exploit that system for illegal gain. That's unfortunate, but that's the nature of the system.
And you do get small time artists and entertainers coming here like orchestras or the Australian cast of 'Wicked' or jazz artists or DJs and so on, so small clubs have to be able to pull this off as well. You can't just set a huge fee on the thing.
How exactly would you close this loophole? Can you show me where in the law it is allowing this to happen?
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saram_
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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The use of comfort women is so pervasive in Korean society that it's an international issue. Again, from the link:
A Los Angeles police spokesman said that about 90 percent of the department’s 70-80 monthly arrests for prostitution involve Korean women and Los Angeles police estimates that there are 8,000 Korean prostitutes working in that city and its suburbs. Korean women`s customers in foreign countries are mostly Korean men.
It's pretty obvious there's a very, very high tolerance for the use of comfort women in Korean society...as long as it's not the Japanese doing the pimping. |
Wow I had no idea Los Angeles was part of Korean society. |
Reread "Korean women`s customers in foreign countries are mostly Korean men." I consider Korean women and Korean men to be Korean society.
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And not only that but this is also problematic
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Read the part about Russian prostitutes in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_South_Korea
In 2000, 3,064 Russians entered South Korea on E-6 visas, 2,927 of them women.
When only 4% of the E-6 visa recipients from Russia are men, it's an understatement to say it's sometimes used for human trafficking. For all practical purposes, the E-6 visa is a Sex Trafficking visa that is only sometimes used for legitimate, non-trafficking purposes. In short, it's state sponsored sex trafficking. |
Are you serious? You are going to use the stats for ONE YEAR 13 years ago and on that flimsy basis claim the E-6 visa is a "sex trafficking visa"?
Do you have any idea how absolutely silly that sounds? |
When only 4% of Russian E-6 recipients were male and you say the E-6 visa isn't primarily a sex trafficking tool, do you have any idea how absolutely silly that sounds? You're not that naïve and neither is the Korean government.
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Yes, but you can't deny someone an entertainment visa simply on the basis of gender or national origin. If they have all their ducks in order, you have to send them in, regardless of your suspicions.
I don't doubt that it is used for that, but you are going to have an entertainment visa so Eminem or Jamiroquai can come here and have a concert and so on. Unfortunately, the byproduct of that is that some shady people can exploit that system for illegal gain. That's unfortunate, but that's the nature of the system.
And you do get small time artists and entertainers coming here like orchestras or the Australian cast of 'Wicked' or jazz artists or DJs and so on, so small clubs have to be able to pull this off as well. You can't just set a huge fee on the thing.
How exactly would you close this loophole? Can you show me where in the law it is allowing this to happen? |
Actually, Russians haven't been able to come to Korea on E-6 visas since 2003. And that was because the Russian government wasn't as apathetic about the issue as the governments of South Korea, the United States, and the Philippines. These days, 88% of the people in Korea on E-6 visas are women from the Philippines. Let's not even try to compare those women to Aretha Franklin, Eminem, or the Vienna Philharmonic. The Korean government knows what it's doing.
You know who you sound like, right? You sound like the Japanese apologists who explain away the WWII comfort women.
Obviously the usage of comfort women by Japan during WWII was a huge crime, but what I'm saying is that there are more Korean comfort women now in 2013 than there ever were in the 1940s. And Koreans use more Chinese comfort women in 2013 than the Japanese did during WWII. Until the Korean people and the Korean government make formal apologies to current Korean comfort women, as well as to the Filipina and Chinese comfort women in Korea, they come off as childish hypocrites when they demand apologies from other governments for the same crime. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, Russians haven't been able to come to Korea on E-6 visas since 2003. And that was because the Russian government wasn't as apathetic about the issue as the governments of South Korea, the United States, and the Philippines. These days, 88% of the people in Korea on E-6 visas are women from the Philippines. Let's not even try to compare those women to Aretha Franklin, Eminem, or the Vienna Philharmonic. The Korean government knows what it's doing.
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So please enlightened one, tell us all how Korea should write its visa laws to prevent this, yet to still allow legitimate entertainers. I've asked you repeatedly about the specific flaws in the law and the procedure and how they can be overcome.
Basically your argument is that a law that permits people to sell alcoholic beverages is the equivalent of the government endorsing underage drinking and drinking and driving.
The entertainment visa enables entertainers, both legitimate and illegitimate to enter the country. What specific language or powers in the law enable the illegitimate ones to enter? How can those loopholes be closed without discriminating against specific countries? Should Korea just ban ALL entertainers?
Without a specific course of action and clearly enumerated measures, you are just spewing a bunch of froth and foam. Might as well scream "Guns are Bad" or "War is Wrong". |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Basically your argument is that a law that permits people to sell alcoholic beverages is the equivalent of the government endorsing underage drinking and drinking and driving. |
The king of the shitty analogy strikes again!
Immigration is a direct arm of the government. They have a fair bit of control over that.
Whereas their control over each an every liquor store is somewhat limited and in many instances, non-existent. |
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KOREAN_MAN
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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