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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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No no all nationalities are as proud.
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I assume you're being ironic here. . |
I'd like to claim that...but to be honest that was a typo (the second "no" should have read "not").
Sorry my bad. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| TEH LINK IZ OLD BRAH |
What? A link from 5 and a half years ago about a study that was last conducted in 2003 isn't current enough? |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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There is nothing Korean about K-pop. It's just the worst of Western boy bands and girl bands. Since the West no longer has these, Koreans have appropriated the genre, sang the songs in Korean, and got the boys to dress up like girls. This makes it a 100 percent Korean product, completely independent of Western pop and uniquely Korean. 
Truth be told, when they express such pride in K-pop they are, in effect, expressing pride in a Western cultural form. In the past when I have pointed this out to adult students I get, "No, K-pop is different. It's not like Western pop. It's very different." And you can't argue with them or they get angry and accuse you of not respecting "Korean culture". I begin to restate that it's not Korean culture, that it's a foreign product with a slice of kimchi added, and that it is also a very recent importation...hence it's absurd to insist it's a 'Korean' product, and insane to take so much pride in it as a Korean product, ........but I realize where I am and decide it's not worth the effort.
I just keep telling myself that this is a country that insists the Christmas Tree originated in Korea.  |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| Pop tends to be an amalgamation of music from various cultures, and sometimes regional differences or styles can be pronounced or subtle. I think K-pop is a legitimately distinct product, similar to how Southern rock has a distinct flavor. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
I just keep telling myself that this is a country that insists the Christmas Tree originated in Korea. |
This is the first time in ten years on this forum that I have heard this claim. I don't believe that a significant portion of the locals think this. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
I just keep telling myself that this is a country that insists the Christmas Tree originated in Korea. |
You're in Korea because......what other jobs are there out there for you. Right? |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
There is nothing Korean about K-pop. It's just the worst of Western boy bands and girl bands. Since the West no longer has these, Koreans have appropriated the genre, sang the songs in Korean, and got the boys to dress up like girls. This makes it a 100 percent Korean product, completely independent of Western pop and uniquely Korean.
Truth be told, when they express such pride in K-pop they are, in effect, expressing pride in a Western cultural form. In the past when I have pointed this out to adult students I get, "No, K-pop is different. It's not like Western pop. It's very different." And you can't argue with them or they get angry and accuse you of not respecting "Korean culture". I begin to restate that it's not Korean culture, that it's a foreign product with a slice of kimchi added, and that it is also a very recent importation...hence it's absurd to insist it's a 'Korean' product, and insane to take so much pride in it as a Korean product, ........but I realize where I am and decide it's not worth the effort.
I just keep telling myself that this is a country that insists the Christmas Tree originated in Korea. |
You wrote the exact same thing on page one of this thread. Don't you get tired of whining about the same complaints? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't you get tired of whining about the same complaints? |
Don't you get tired of whining about the whiners? 
I do. I mean, it's tiresome to listen to posts (by you, young_clinton, etc.) that add nothing to the discussion.
UP UR GAME BRAH |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
I just keep telling myself that this is a country that insists the Christmas Tree originated in Korea. |
Sorry, any sources on that? I've NEVER heard it here. Never.
In fact, they're aren't all that popular in Korean homes. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Me neither. Everyone knows it started in Germany and was brought over to the UK by Prince Albert. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/04/117_57895.html
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check your Christmas tree.
According to Korea's National Institute of Biological Resources (NIBR), it is a Korean fir tree |
My Korean teacher was telling me about this just last night, meaning it's something accepted as fact by (at least some) Koreans. True? I have no idea. But Korean citizens believe it. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't you get tired of whining about the same complaints? |
Don't you get tired of whining about the whiners?
I do. I mean, it's tiresome to listen to posts (by you, young_clinton, etc.) that add nothing to the discussion.
UP UR GAME BRAH |
He wouldn't have anything to add to any discussion otherwise, as you already pointed out. There are several on here that do just that. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| My Korean teacher was telling me about this just last night, meaning it's something accepted as fact by (at least some) Koreans. True? I have no idea. But Korean citizens believe it. |
It's saying the tree originally came from Korea not the tradition. That's like the Chinese claiming the credit for Shakespeare because they invented paper. Although they didn't even invent the fir tree it was just growing there naturally and someone nicked a cutting |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| The institute is working hard to have its claim officially recognized, as it may enable Korea, as a place of origin, to claim a slice of the profits from their commercial use. |
I don't understand how this is supposed to work. Is there actually a legitimate process wherein national governments receive "royalties," in perpetuity, for the sales of natural (as opposed to genetically modified) plant or animal life in other countries? Or is this just a kooky scheme wherein the fellow imagines his organization harassing people with the threat of lawsuits hoping for a payout? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds ludicrous to me |
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