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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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Actually, it is NOT her apartment, it is the school's. It is their business who lives there. They are paying for it. |
So if they are paying for a teacher - do they now BELONG to that school?
Such a distorted way of looking at things, Archie.
If the school is providing the apartment as part of the payment of services, then no, it does not BELONG to the school to do with as they wish. Just like it is not ok for an owner of an apt to "do as they wish" with it, if they're rented it out.
I own an apt that I rent out and can tell you - tenants have rights. Don't kid yourself.
Or is it ok for schools to break contracts, but not teachers?
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I'll rephrase:
It's no one's business who you have living with you in the apartment
Please explain how you know the school owns the apartment? Also, explain how you know what provisions are in the contract regarding guests.
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| So you appoint yourself to a position that you were not suppose to have. How quaint. |
I'm not appointing myself to any position. I'm providing information that can be corroborated by at least 12 other people on this board alone. |
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archaeologist5
Joined: 25 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Such a distorted way of looking at things, Archie. |
There is no distortion, unless the school does something different it is their name that goes on the lease. The contract is between the landlord/owner and the school, not the landlord/owner and the westerner.
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the school is providing the apartment as part of the payment of services, then no, it does not BELONG to the school to do with as they wish. Just like it is not ok for an owner of an apt to "do as they wish" with it, if they're rented it out.
I own an apt that I rent out and can tell you - tenants have rights. Don't kid yourself. |
The lease/contract i sin the name of the school and most likely the name of the person who is residing in the apartment will be given to the landlord/owner if a person resides in the apartment whose name does not appear in the official records, and if the school is not told about it, then there can be problems. That new person doesn't belong in the apartment.
The school has every right to do something about it. The tenant has rights but those rights do not include moving in someone who is not on the lease or has no permission to live there.
You are a dishonest person in your representation of what westerners can or cannot do. |
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archaeologist5
Joined: 25 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
I'll rephrase:
It's no one's business who you have living with you in the apartment. |
It is the school's business as they did not grant the westerner permission to move anyone in who was not listed in the contract or the tenant lease. You have a lot to learn. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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The lease/contract i sin the name of the school and most likely the name of the person who is residing in the apartment will be given to the landlord/owner if a person resides in the apartment whose name does not appear in the official records, and if the school is not told about it, then there can be problems. That new person doesn't belong in the apartment.
The school has every right to do something about it. The tenant has rights but those rights do not include moving in someone who is not on the lease or has no permission to live there.
You are a dishonest person in your representation of what westerners can or cannot do. |
Again, you're wrong. If I rent my apt to Mr Kim, and Ms Park moves in with him, I have no legal right to kick them out. Even though Ms Kim is not on the lease agreement, she can still reside there. You're confused as to what is a violation of a contract.
First off, you have no idea as to the contract in question - the OP. Correct?
As well, any contract is only as valid as its ability to remain within the construct of the law - that is, no contract can violate the law. So, you can make any clauses in a contract you want, but it's not enforceable if it's in violation of the law.
Westerners can do pretty much whatever Koreans can do here - depending on the limitations of their status in Korea. You seem to revel in telling Westerners what they should and shouldn't do here, but last time I checked, you had no authority - kind of like when you tried to tell me about the CBC and parental rights - wrong as always.
Your schtick worked in your lame letters to the KT, but they don't fly here under scrutiny.
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| crescent wrote: |
I'll rephrase:
It's no one's business who you have living with you in the apartment. |
It is the school's business as they did not grant the westerner permission to move anyone in who was not listed in the contract or the tenant lease. You have a lot to learn. |
No. That'd be you. |
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archaeologist5
Joined: 25 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| gain, you're wrong. If I rent my apt to Mr Kim, and Ms Park moves in with him, I have no legal right to kick them out. Even though Ms Kim is not on the lease agreement, she can still reside there. You're confused as to what is a violation of a contract. |
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Again your dishonesty undermines you. You word isn't good enough. My experience with rentals n Korea says otherwise.
I do not think you have a very good knowledge of the law and how it applies. |
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archaeologist5
Joined: 25 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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P.S. here is the link to the English Version of the Korean Housing Act and notice it does not forbid the restriction of tenants in an apartment
http://www.moleg.go.kr/english/korLawEng?pstSeq=52752&brdSeq=33&pageIndex=36
click on the word 'file' and on page 22 it reads
Article 32 (Standard Lease Agreement, etc.)
(1) A person who intends to enter into a lease contract on rental housing shall use the
standard lease agreement as prescribed by the Ordinance of the Ministry of Land,
Transport and Maritime Affairs.
(2) The standard lease agreement under section (1) shall include the matters of the
following subsections:
1. Rental deposit;
2. Rent;
3. Period of lease contract;
4. Matters on the rights and obligations of a rental business operator and a lessee;
5. Matters on the repair, maintenance and mending of rental housing; and
6. Other matters as prescribed by the Ordinance of the Ministry of Land, Transport and
Maritime Affairs.
(3) A rental business operator and a lessee shall abide by the rental contract concluded
by using the standard lease agreement as referred to in section (1).
You will notice that nowhere in those 29 pages does it restrict a landlord, or school from limiting the amount of people living in an apartment. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
I'll rephrase:
It's no one's business who you have living with you in the apartment. |
It is the school's business as they did not grant the westerner permission to move anyone in who was not listed in the contract or the tenant lease. You have a lot to learn. |
I do, do I? Ok, "Dr." Considering the amount of people in this country that think you are a certifiable nutjob, including apologists and their official voice, The Korea Times, I'd say you sound rather hilarious telling me that.
You just referred to the law which does not restrict tenants, and your'e still trying to tell us it's not allowed because of this person's contract. Yet you have no idea what is written in it.
Your use of the term 'westerner' instead of 'tenant' tips your biased hand. Unless there is a specific clause in this person's contract that dictates who can live in the apartment, then the issue of houseguests is not one you can lay your skewed brand of judgement on.
Once again, do you know what is written in this person's contract, or not? If not, kindly go back to ranting about the western gay devils on your blog, away from the rest of humanity. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Just tell them that your bf is your Korean tutor if anyone sees him leaving your apt.
Telling the truth in Korea is the equivalent of lying in the west. 
Don't beg for forgiveness if caught, as other posters have suggested. 
Simply prepare the most outrageous lies possible to cover your back.  |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| I'm showing up to let others know you have a history of expressing hate towards fellow expats, especially gay expats. |
So you appoint yourself to a position that you were not suppose to have. How quaint.
Using the word 'hate' distorts what I have said and you should be ashamed of yourself for lying about my point of view.
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| OP: It's no one's business who you have living with you in your apartment. |
Actually, it is NOT her apartment, it is the school's. It is their business who lives there. They are paying for it. |
@archaeologist5
You are incorrect. The housing is part of the salary package. I have 2 villas/apartments with tenants/teachers in them. Due to the fact that the housing is part of the salary package, the tenants have the rights to use the housing as they please as long as no damage is done and/or laws are broken. As in a case of a teacher entering into marriage, the teacher was free to bring the spouse into the home.
Yep. I can't enforce how my teachers are spending their salary if it's being spent in a legal way. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| gain, you're wrong. If I rent my apt to Mr Kim, and Ms Park moves in with him, I have no legal right to kick them out. Even though Ms Kim is not on the lease agreement, she can still reside there. You're confused as to what is a violation of a contract. |
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Again your dishonesty undermines you. You word isn't good enough. My experience with rentals n Korea says otherwise.
I do not think you have a very good knowledge of the law and how it applies. |
Show me the housing contract in question, and the clause related to the number of occupants.
Oh, wait - you can't.
You don't have the contract. The reason that there's no mention in the link you provided later regarding limitations on the number of occupants, is because it's not common practice here.
But if you had extensive experience renting here as you claim, you'd know that.
Again, if I rent my apt to Mr Kim, and his brother moves in with him for a bit, I couldn't kick them out. It wouldn't happen - ask any Korean around you. |
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archaeologist5
Joined: 25 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| Show me the housing contract in question, and the clause related to the number of occupants. |
I posted the housing act yet you resort to more baseless rhetoric. Pony up.
Here is an example of your dishonesty. you are using a visit to say that schools can't restrict who is in the apartment. the OP is talking about a year at a time not a short visit.
You are the most dishonest person on this board, you make central cali look holy.
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| You are incorrect. |
Blah blah blah. I posted the housing act, you posted nothing. I am not wrong. If you rent to one person and then they bring in another person long term yes you can evict them. the new person is not on the lease.
Anyways, I realized after the last time I posted I am talking to people who will always be obstinate. Maybe I will start writing for the Korean Times, maybe a western voice against the majority of westerners will be the answer. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| archaeologist5 wrote: |
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| gain, you're wrong. If I rent my apt to Mr Kim, and Ms Park moves in with him, I have no legal right to kick them out. Even though Ms Kim is not on the lease agreement, she can still reside there. You're confused as to what is a violation of a contract. |
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Again your dishonesty undermines you. You word isn't good enough. My experience with rentals n Korea says otherwise.
I do not think you have a very good knowledge of the law and how it applies. |
Show me the housing contract in question, and the clause related to the number of occupants.
Oh, wait - you can't.
You don't have the contract. The reason that there's no mention in the link you provided later regarding limitations on the number of occupants, is because it's not common practice here.
But if you had extensive experience renting here as you claim, you'd know that.
Again, if I rent my apt to Mr Kim, and his brother moves in with him for a bit, I couldn't kick them out. It wouldn't happen - ask any Korean around you. |
Correct.
Unless there is something specific in the contract, that's not in violation of Korean Law, the teacher/tenant has a right to have over whomever he or she desires. The housing is part of the compensation the tenant receives for his or her services. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Show me the housing contract in question, and the clause related to the number of occupants. |
I posted the housing act yet you resort to more baseless rhetoric. Pony up.
Here is an example of your dishonesty. you are using a visit to say that schools can't restrict who is in the apartment. the OP is talking about a year at a time not a short visit.
You are the most dishonest person on this board, you make central cali look holy.
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| You are incorrect. |
Blah blah blah. I posted the housing act, you posted nothing. I am not wrong. If you rent to one person and then they bring in another person long term yes you can evict them. the new person is not on the lease.
Anyways, I realized after the last time I posted I am talking to people who will always be obstinate. Maybe I will start writing for the Korean Times, maybe a western voice against the majority of westerners will be the answer. |
No you can't evict them. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| archaeologist5 wrote: |
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| Show me the housing contract in question, and the clause related to the number of occupants. |
I posted the housing act yet you resort to more baseless rhetoric. Pony up.
Here is an example of your dishonesty. you are using a visit to say that schools can't restrict who is in the apartment. the OP is talking about a year at a time not a short visit.
You are the most dishonest person on this board, you make central cali look holy.
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| You are incorrect. |
Blah blah blah. I posted the housing act, you posted nothing. I am not wrong. If you rent to one person and then they bring in another person long term yes you can evict them. the new person is not on the lease.
Anyways, I realized after the last time I posted I am talking to people who will always be obstinate. Maybe I will start writing for the Korean Times, maybe a western voice against the majority of westerners will be the answer. |
The article you posted doesn't defend your false argument. You might as well have posted the nutrition information of the back of a cereal box. |
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