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Underwaterbob
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RangerMcGreggor
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Note that the T-50 is not just a trainer. There is a combat version (FA-50) that Korea hopes to corner the market as a super cheap fighter to replace the F-5 around the world, though it's debatable if it will succeed (Apparently, the USA is giving F-16s at inane prices that is killing that market right now). |
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mr_thehorse
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Those F 35s. Don't know what to make of those. Wish more countries could have signed onto the F 22s instead. The F 35s seem to be going down the road of a boondoggle, plus only one engine? Yikes! Anyhow, this f 18 copy is prob the best deal for the Phillipines considering the reasons they'll need it. If China attacks, it ain't going to matter what they've got in their arsenal anyhow. |
Sadly, F22s are not available for export (last I heard). F35 is turning into a very costly program. Not even sure if its worth it if the Chinese stole the specs as been reported. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| mr_thehorse wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Those F 35s. Don't know what to make of those. Wish more countries could have signed onto the F 22s instead. The F 35s seem to be going down the road of a boondoggle, plus only one engine? Yikes! Anyhow, this f 18 copy is prob the best deal for the Phillipines considering the reasons they'll need it. If China attacks, it ain't going to matter what they've got in their arsenal anyhow. |
Sadly, F22s are not available for export (last I heard). F35 is turning into a very costly program. Not even sure if its worth it if the Chinese stole the specs as been reported. |
The F-35 makes the LCS program a model of sanity in comparison. Regardless, its pretty much what everyone who buys from the US is stuck with if they want a 5th generation fighter. If Dassault or the Eurofighter consortium had managed to cook up a halfway decent 5th gen alternative they could have had a real winner on their hands, but many dont want to risk being a half-step behind at 4.5. The F-35 seems to do a lot of things, none of them brilliantly. Reminds me a bit of the F-111 or B-1.
In Korea's case I suspect a big part of their decision is to 1) The need for an aircraft that can penetrate NK's Air defenses. 2)Match the Japanese who also bought it, and incidentally the Chinese. 3) Technology transfer/Reverse engineering for their KF-X programme and 4) Future joint ventures/tech transfers/ T/A-50 export assistance with Lockheed-Martin. |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Those F 35s. Don't know what to make of those. Wish more countries could have signed onto the F 22s instead. The F 35s seem to be going down the road of a boondoggle, plus only one engine? Yikes! Anyhow, this f 18 copy is prob the best deal for the Phillipines considering the reasons they'll need it. If China attacks, it ain't going to matter what they've got in their arsenal anyhow. |
Sadly, F22s are not available for export (last I heard). F35 is turning into a very costly program. Not even sure if its worth it if the Chinese stole the specs as been reported. |
Yeah, I know. That's why I said I wished....  |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| mr_thehorse wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Those F 35s. Don't know what to make of those. Wish more countries could have signed onto the F 22s instead. The F 35s seem to be going down the road of a boondoggle, plus only one engine? Yikes! Anyhow, this f 18 copy is prob the best deal for the Phillipines considering the reasons they'll need it. If China attacks, it ain't going to matter what they've got in their arsenal anyhow. |
Sadly, F22s are not available for export (last I heard). F35 is turning into a very costly program. Not even sure if its worth it if the Chinese stole the specs as been reported. |
Yeah, I know. That's why I said I wished.... |
You think the US government would keep their military technology offline away from hacking and don't allow anyone who even remotely looks Chinese into the facilites due to the real theft that has occured in the past. Some might cry racism, but do you think a Chinese General is going to let a white guy walk into a Chinese military base? Hㅌ!! no!! |
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andrewchon
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What F-16? It doesn't look much like an F-16. 
Anyway, it's revolutionary feature is the bailout system. The rear seated teacher will leave first, and then the front seated student will get the comforting female computer voice telling him/her: "Please Remain Seated". The teacher-pilot, if he/she survives the para-drop then gets charged with homicide and negligence. 
Revolutionary feature 2: When the system is turned on, it plays "Oppan Gangnam Style" and at the push of button the plane can do the 'horse-riding dance' while taxing in.
Note: Psy's Gangnam Style is near 2 billion hits. 1,997 million at present. |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| The future is in drones. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
What F-16? It doesn't look much like an F-16.
Anyway, it's revolutionary feature is the bailout system. The rear seated teacher will leave first, and then the front seated student will get the comforting female computer voice telling him/her: "Please Remain Seated". The teacher-pilot, if he/she survives the para-drop then gets charged with homicide and negligence.
Revolutionary feature 2: When the system is turned on, it plays "Oppan Gangnam Style" and at the push of button the plane can do the 'horse-riding dance' while taxing in.
Note: Psy's Gangnam Style is near 2 billion hits. 1,997 million at present. |
In spite of the peanut gallery's comments, ROKAF pilots are not a bunch of asshats. Several of my adult students are ROKAF fighter pilots. One of them a few months ago actually told a riveting story about an incident involving his aircraft. He's an instructor and during landing the aircraft suffered a mechanical. He was able to successfully bring the aircraft to a stop in such a manner as to prevent it from being written off. What was amazing to him was how little he actually remembered (adrenalin), but according to both video and cockpit recorder, he found out what happened.
As the instructor, the second the landing gear failed, he immediately executed a takeover of the plane's controls over the student, and the student relinquished control, as they had been trained to do. He attempted to bring the aircraft under control and at one point, as the instructor and person in control, had to consider ejecting them from the aircraft, but deemed it risky and advisable to continue to control the plane. He decided against this and the plane successfully came to a stop. Training took over and led to a successful outcome, given the situation.
Also, funny thing about Korean fighter pilots (and who knows, probably many fighter pilots around the world), you'd never know they were fighter pilots if you looked at them. Low-key guys. |
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andrewchon
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| The future is in drones. |
If the drones can dance 'Gangnam Style' maybe, otherwise flying flash-mob wins! |
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