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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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 Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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| Is he suing Jenny too since she made the same accusation? |
If they need Jenny's number it's 867-5309
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc5u9NOV4sE
MY first post on this thread. I'll try to make it my last. |
Thread ender. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| Mix: "Fact" in legal parlance doesn't mean the same thing as it does in common usage. "Fact" for the lawyerly types is "alleged crime". |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| I still dont see how imprisonment is possible for libel unless the DA is pressured into charging him. Imprisonment can not he possible in a civil suit. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:18 am Post subject: |
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CHAPTER XXXIII CRIMES AGAINST REPUTATION Article 307 (Defamation) (1) A person who defames another by publicly alleging facts shall be punished by imprisonment or imprisonment without prison labor for not more than two years or by a fine not exceeding five million won. <Amended by Act No. 5057, Dec. 29, 1995> (2) A person who defames another by publicly alleging false facts shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than five years, suspension of qualifications for not more than ten years, or a fine not exceeding ten million won. <Amended by Act No. 5057, Dec. 29, 1995> Article 308 (Defamation of Dead Person) A person who defames a dead person by publicly alleging false facts shall be punished by imprisonment without prison labor for not more than two years or by a fine not exceeding five million won. <Amended by Act No. 5057, Dec. 29, 1995> Article 309 (Defamation through Printed Materials) (1) A person who commits the crime of Article 307 (1), by means of newspaper, magazine, radio, or other publication with intent to defame another, shall be punished by imprisonment or imprisonment without prison labor for not more than three years or by a fine not exceeding seven million won. <Amended by Act No. 5057, Dec. 29, 1995> (2) A person who commits the crime of Article 307 (2), by the method described in paragraph (1), shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than seven years or suspension of qualifications for not more than ten years, or a fine not exceeding fifteen million won. <Amended by Act No. 5057, Dec. 29, 1995> Article 310 (Justification)
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| If the facts alleged under Article 307 (1) are true and solely for the public interest, the act shall not be punishable. |
Article 311 (Insult) A person who publicly insults another shall be punished by imprisonment or imprisonment without prison labor for not more than one year or by a fine not exceeding two million won. <Amended by Act No. 5057, Dec. 29, 1995> Article 312 (Complaint) (1) The crimes of Articles 308 through 311 shall be prosecuted only upon complaint. <Amended by Act No. 5057, Dec. 29, 1995> (2) The crimes of Articles 307 through 309 shall not be prosecuted over the express objection of the victim. <Amended by Act No. 5057, Dec. 29, 1995> |
Interesting how even telling the truth about someone or something is punishable. I guess with that mindset, it explains why Asiana tried to sue over harm to their "reputation" when they in fact screwed up and the press simply tried to talk about it.
"Your son was a trouble-making groper who regularly assaulted women."
"True fact, but everyone must ignore that! I'm suing you for mentioning it!"
Shows how much the truth is valued in this system. |
You just had to go there, didn't you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo  |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:15 am Post subject: |
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If you are sued and lose, you can be prevented from leaving Korea until you pay the amount required by the court.
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Yes: Natalia Vucic, 2004, Suwon district court.
Sued for damage to a business and she lost.
Circumstances: she sent letters home to parents about alleged unethical business practices toward teachers at the hagwon (in Haniltown) that she worked at.
Penalty: Loss of employment, 10 million won payment required (by the court) before she was allowed to leave Korea. Her embassy could do nothing about it.
She borrowed money from home, left Korea and has not been back. |
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233013&start=30 |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Kepler wrote: |
If you are sued and lose, you can be prevented from leaving Korea until you pay the amount required by the court.
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Yes: Natalia Vucic, 2004, Suwon district court.
Sued for damage to a business and she lost.
Circumstances: she sent letters home to parents about alleged unethical business practices toward teachers at the hagwon (in Haniltown) that she worked at.
Penalty: Loss of employment, 10 million won payment required (by the court) before she was allowed to leave Korea. Her embassy could do nothing about it.
She borrowed money from home, left Korea and has not been back. |
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233013&start=30 |
Yes that is true. If you can't pay, you will sit in jail until you do. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
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If you are sued and lose, you can be prevented from leaving Korea until you pay the amount required by the court.
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Yes: Natalia Vucic, 2004, Suwon district court.
Sued for damage to a business and she lost.
Circumstances: she sent letters home to parents about alleged unethical business practices toward teachers at the hagwon (in Haniltown) that she worked at.
Penalty: Loss of employment, 10 million won payment required (by the court) before she was allowed to leave Korea. Her embassy could do nothing about it.
She borrowed money from home, left Korea and has not been back. |
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233013&start=30 |
Yes that is true. If you can't pay, you will sit in jail until you do. |
Debtor's prison--how Dickensian.
Do you get to go out on Wednesdays and beg?
And is it only for foreigners? |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| The kid gave up the ghost on Hooker Hill. What reputation was there left to destroy? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Kepler wrote: |
If you are sued and lose, you can be prevented from leaving Korea until you pay the amount required by the court.
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Yes: Natalia Vucic, 2004, Suwon district court.
Sued for damage to a business and she lost.
Circumstances: she sent letters home to parents about alleged unethical business practices toward teachers at the hagwon (in Haniltown) that she worked at.
Penalty: Loss of employment, 10 million won payment required (by the court) before she was allowed to leave Korea. Her embassy could do nothing about it.
She borrowed money from home, left Korea and has not been back. |
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233013&start=30 |
Yes that is true. If you can't pay, you will sit in jail until you do. |
Note that she was not allowed to leave Korea, it didn't say that she was imprisoned. She may have been free to seek other employment and live on her own, just that she couldn't leave the country until she made restitution.
So, I doubt that libel would get someone imprisoned. You'd have to do something really big against someone really powerful. Everyone else will just settle for money. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| If you lose your job and haven't made restitution, what type of visa do you need? |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Kepler wrote: |
If you are sued and lose, you can be prevented from leaving Korea until you pay the amount required by the court.
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Yes: Natalia Vucic, 2004, Suwon district court.
Sued for damage to a business and she lost.
Circumstances: she sent letters home to parents about alleged unethical business practices toward teachers at the hagwon (in Haniltown) that she worked at.
Penalty: Loss of employment, 10 million won payment required (by the court) before she was allowed to leave Korea. Her embassy could do nothing about it.
She borrowed money from home, left Korea and has not been back. |
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=233013&start=30 |
Yes that is true. If you can't pay, you will sit in jail until you do. |
Note that she was not allowed to leave Korea, it didn't say that she was imprisoned. She may have been free to seek other employment and live on her own, just that she couldn't leave the country until she made restitution.
So, I doubt that libel would get someone imprisoned. You'd have to do something really big against someone really powerful. Everyone else will just settle for money. |
Libel absolutely can get you jail time, if the victim doesn't agree to a simple pay off. Furthermore in Korea if you can't pay your fines, you can be jailed at a rate of 50k/day until it's paid off. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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The groping was confirmed by others who were present at the scene. It's too bad Jeremy can't tell the truth without getting sued.
"Whites are also closest to African race genetically. It's laughable how these white loser guys think they are some kind of special race who are at the top of the evolutionary ladder."
"All these violent crimes in Korea and abroad against Korean women is disturbing me. Foreign men are manipulating Korean women, raping and abusing them."
"When I have a good amount of savings, I am thinking of moving to Korea later in life to make a political change. I think some of you should consider this later on in life when you have a family and children. I want to make sure Korea remains a homogeneous country and stop all foreign criminals from trashing Korea."
But now they are defending a Korean sexual predator? K Stormfront members have shown their true colors. They are probably more of a danger to Korean women than most non-Koreans. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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The groping was confirmed by others who were present at the scene. It's too bad Jeremy can't tell the truth without getting sued.
"Whites are also closest to African race genetically. It's laughable how these white loser guys think they are some kind of special race who are at the top of the evolutionary ladder."
"All these violent crimes in Korea and abroad against Korean women is disturbing me. Foreign men are manipulating Korean women, raping and abusing them."
"When I have a good amount of savings, I am thinking of moving to Korea later in life to make a political change. I think some of you should consider this later on in life when you have a family and children. I want to make sure Korea remains a homogeneous country and stop all foreign criminals from trashing Korea."
But now they are defending a Korean sexual predator? K Stormfront members have shown their true colors. They are probably more of a danger to Korean women than most non-Koreans. |
Haters gonna hate. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| The groping was confirmed by others who were present at the scene. It's too bad Jeremy can't tell the truth without getting sued. |
Each and every one of those "others who were present at the scene" will then have to answer to the court (assuming they're summoned and respond to the summons) why they did not contact the police regarding the groping. The prosecutor likely will not have a difficult time negating the character assassination of the dead man.
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| "Whites are also closest to African race genetically. It's laughable how these white loser guys think they are some kind of special race who are at the top of the evolutionary ladder." |
"All these violent crimes in Korea and abroad against Korean women is disturbing me. Foreign men are manipulating Korean women, raping and abusing them."
"When I have a good amount of savings, I am thinking of moving to Korea later in life to make a political change. I think some of you should consider this later on in life when you have a family and children. I want to make sure Korea remains a homogeneous country and stop all foreign criminals from trashing Korea."[/quote]
More proof that KS is populated by morons.
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| But now they are defending a Korean sexual predator? K Stormfront members have shown their true colors. They are probably more of a danger to Korean women than most non-Koreans. |
Yeah, that's probably the complete truth about them being the greater danger! |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Mix: "Fact" in legal parlance doesn't mean the same thing as it does in common usage. "Fact" for the lawyerly types is "alleged crime". |
Either way, does the actual truth of an allegation have any bearing on the punishment? It seems to have a lesser punishment but is still punishable. In the quote, they use "fact" and "false fact", so what is the distinction in lawyer speak? So "false fact" means falsely alleged?
The western, or at least the American definition of libel seems to be along the lines of "the act of publishing a false statement that causes people to have a bad opinion of someone." So if the guy was indeed a known groper, there is no libel (under a western understanding of the term, I'm guessing).
In the case of the teacher who reported her bosses dirty activities, did it make no difference in the case if the dirty activities reported were true? |
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