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young_clinton

Joined: 09 Sep 2009

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:15 pm Post subject:

The You Tube video is hardly a convincing argument that Korean breakfasts are bad. Perhaps the kids were too used to Count Chocula for breakfast.

northway

Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:59 pm Post subject:

I love Korean breakfast. Kimchi, seaweed soup, fish, eggs, kangbap with anchovies, kim - power breakfast.

Cave Dweller

Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:00 pm Post subject:

I personally know someone with diabetes here. 3 doctors diagnosed him the same. He lives in denial and ignores any good advice.

One day I went to a buffet with a group, him included. He packed the food away really well that day. Not all healthy stuff. Rice, coke, etc. I foresee him getting an amputation very soon if he doesn't change his ways.

drcrazy wrote:

Oh, and my doctor/friend said type 2 diabetes is now a major problem in South Korea, and was very rare when I first came here.

hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:21 pm Post subject: Busan or Pusan

drcrazy Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan Nothing to do with the original topic...just curious after seeing drcrazy's signature.... http://english.busan.go.kr/HomeMain.do Official WEB site calls it Busan... South Korea Gov't. calls it Busan... What is it exactly....P or B?

Leon

Joined: 31 May 2010

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:43 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

Meh, Korean breakfast sure beats a Grand Slam when it comes to nutrition. Taste, well...can't go wrong with some B&E action.

Anyways, I think the country that fails is the one where its kids regard Pop Tarts and Oreo Os as being superior to vegetables and fish, no matter what meal it is.

You can only get Oreo Os in Korea I think, definitely not in America. I do not think most Korean kids are eating the full traditional Korean breakfast. When I was there most of the kids I taught had bread or cereal or the like most mornings.

schwa

Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:53 pm Post subject:

Rural girls middle school students' usual breakfasts: 1/3 bread or cereal 1/3 traditional korean 1/3 nothing

drcrazy

Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Busan or Pusan

hellofaniceguy wrote:

drcrazy
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

Nothing to do with the original topic...just curious after seeing drcrazy's signature....

http://english.busan.go.kr/HomeMain.do

Official WEB site calls it Busan...
South Korea Gov't. calls it Busan...

What is it exactly....P or B?

For the first several years I lived here (as it was long before I arrived) it was spelled Pusan every place. PNU = Pusan National University, for just one example. On all signs any place in Pusan it was written Pusan. Then, they decided to change the spelling of it all over the city and every place it is written to Busan. Langauge evolves, and at one time it sounded like 부산 and not 푸산. However, by the time it was being written with the Latin Alphabet, because it then sounded like (and still does) 푸산 they spelled it Pusan in the Latin Alphabet. So, now the spelling in both Korean and English look like it is the sound [b] Busan/부산, but they pronounce it like it is the sound [p] Pusan/푸산. What they should have done was leave it Pusan and updated the Korean spelling to match how it has evolved and have it written in Korean as 푸산. Come here and listen to a Korean say it over a mic. and you will hear the P explode loudly. Or any place in Korea, for example a bus or train station and the P explodes over the PA system.

Thank you for your reading. Smile

하하하

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Busan or Pusan

drcrazy wrote:

hellofaniceguy wrote:

하하하

I don't know man, to me it sounds like a B/ㅂ. But when learning a language it's best to ignore the romanization and listen to how locals pronounce the sounds. A ㅂ is a ㅂ, and a ㅍ is a ㅍ. Using romanization just approximates the sounds.

CentralCali

Joined: 17 May 2007

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:40 am Post subject: Re: Busan or Pusan

drcrazy wrote:

hellofaniceguy wrote:

하하하

You are incorrect about the Romanization and also the pronunciation. 부 has never sounded like 푸. You're confusing spelling in one language, English, with a transliteration system for another language (transliteration of Korean with the English alphabet). Here is a good treatment of the various Romanization systems used for Korean.

drcrazy

Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Busan or Pusan

jvalmer wrote:

drcrazy wrote:

hellofaniceguy wrote:

하하하

Come here and listen to a Korean say it over a mic. and you will hear the P explode loudly. Or any place in Korea, for example a bus or train station and the P explodes over the PA system.

drcrazy

Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Busan or Pusan

CentralCali wrote:

drcrazy wrote:

hellofaniceguy wrote:

하하하

Come here and listen to a Korean say it over a mic. and you will hear the P explode loudly. Or any place in Korea, for example a bus or train station and the P explodes over the PA system.

drcrazy

Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:01 am Post subject:

Come here and listen to a Korean say it over a mic. and you will hear the P explode loudly. Or any place in Korea, for example a bus or train station and the P explodes over the PA system. This is only about the word 부산.

CentralCali

Joined: 17 May 2007

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:47 am Post subject:

drcrazy wrote:

Come here and listen to a Korean say it over a mic. and you will hear the P explode loudly. Or any place in Korea, for example a bus or train station and the P explodes over the PA system.

This is only about the word 부산.

Actually you won't. I'm going to go with my training in linguistics along with my experience with speaking and listening to Korean for approximately 40 years over your bald assertion. You simply do not know what you're talking about.

drcrazy

Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:19 am Post subject:

CentralCali wrote:

drcrazy wrote:

The pronunciation of Korean has evolved over the years and is also different in different regions in Korea. There are also sounds that fall someplace in between two different sounds if going my the "strictest pronunciation" of a sound using symbols from IPA. This is why usually the letter "ㄱ" sounds like [g] but sometimes is closer to [k]. This is why when they started to use the Latin Alphabet, more or less applying it to the symbols used for IPA, someone whose family name is "김" they write it as "Kim". And, although the letter "ㅍ" appears to always be pronounced [p] the letter "ㅂ" usually pronounced [b] is sometimes closer to [p]. This is why when they started using the Latin Alphabet, more or less applying it to the symbols used for IPA, they wrote "부산" Pusan. The sound in this case evolved to be closer to [p] than [b]. And sometimes even the Koreans, most likely based on region of origin, will write the family name "박" as either "Park" or "Bak". It is also interesting to note that in the case of the family name "박", they use the letter "k" for the letter "ㄱ" because in this case the sound is closer to [k] IN PRESENT TIME. Thus, we never see Mr. Parg or Mr. Bag.

It is also interesting to note how a sound that did not use to exist in Korean, now does (and sometimes depends on region whether or not this will happen). We have, for example, the sound [ʃ]. The Korean letter "ㅅ" used to only be pronounced as [s] regardless of the vowel following it. However, today for "시" we will hear both [si] and [ʃl] depending on the region in question. Perhaps the best example is the "Silla Kingdom" "시라". It used to only be [sila] but in most regions in Korea today they say [ʃila]. However, down here in the south, you tend to hear the original pronunciation [sila] much more often than [ʃila].

Let's not forget that when Sejon The Great created "헌글" around 1443, it was made to match how the language was pronounced over 500 years ago, not in 2015. Furthermore, some of the letters in his original alphabet are no longer used due to the fact that those sounds disappeared from Korean long ago. And some new letters were created later in history as new sounds evolved.

Last, but not least, it is the case worldwide (UNFORTUNATELY IN MY OPINION) that once a language becomes highly codified, the spelling tends not to change in spite of the fact that the pronunciation does.

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:39 am Post subject:

drcrazy wrote:

It is also interesting to note that in the case of the family name "박", they use the letter "k" for the letter "ㄱ" because in this case the sound is closer to [k] IN PRESENT TIME. Thus, we never see Mr. Parg or Mr. Bag.

Someone needs to brush up on their Korean.

That's because when "ㄱ" is in the final position it makes more of a 'k' sound. There are only a handful of final sounds, the approximate sounds are 'k', 'p', 't', 'n', 'm', and 'ng' (I think I got them all).

initial/final
'ㄱ' - g/k
'ㅂ' - b/p
'ㅍ' - p/p
'ㅌ' - t/t
'ㄷ' - d/t
'ㅅ' - s/t
'ㅊ' - ch/t
'ㄹ' - l-r/l-r
'ㄴ' - n/n
'ㅁ' - m/m

I think this is where you're confusing the 'ㅂ' for a 'b', or a 'p'. If in the final position the 'ㅂ' does make a 'p' sound.

example:
컵 - cup
법 - beop
각 - gak
삿 - saat

To add even more confusion, the sound of the final consonant can change sounds depending what consonant is the initial position in the next block.

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