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Mashimaro
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| Also, I was thinking of starting a thread on this very subject yesterday morning. Mashimaro, haven't we linked minds before as well? |
Don't know about linking minds, but I do read with interest anything you write about the Korean language.
An interesting little experiment (moreso for newbies).
I alluded to it in an earlier post, but next time your'e out
and there is some big old doors at the shop entrance or whatever
count how many times a korean will look behind them to see if anyone
else is coming. Not a criticism just a fact..
I was also told by a professor of Korean culture that if a stranger is too overtly friendly too you people are dubious because they think he/she may be a 'swindler'. Not a strong motivation to be friendly to others I think you will agree. Go out of your way to be nice, and people think it's a con! |
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Blind Willie
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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I was also told by a professor of Korean culture that if a stranger is too overtly friendly too you people are dubious because they think he/she may be a 'swindler'. Not a strong motivation to be friendly to others I think you will agree. Go out of your way to be nice, and people think it's a con! |
How is that different from back home? |
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Mashimaro
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Just one question:
Apparently confucianism really took hold strongly around the time of the Chosun Dynesty. Before that era women had a better standing in the community, but it was all knocked back during the Chosun. |
Yeah, apparently Chosun era Korea was the most confucian society in history. Modern day korea is the second. Interesting considering the origin of Confucianism.
They also say that in Chosun times a woman was not considered to be anything unless she had a son. She was a non-entity of sorts.  |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| Mashimaro wrote: |
| I was also told by a professor of Korean culture that if a stranger is too overtly friendly to you, people are dubious because they think he/she may be a 'swindler'. Not a strong motivation to be friendly to others I think you will agree. Go out of your way to be nice, and people think it's a con! |
But what do we think when a stranger is too overtly friendly with us?
That the stranger is out to get free English instruction! |
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ulsanchris
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| confucianism is also highly conservative. There is the idea that what worked in the past will work in the future. Confucians also had strict views on proper behaviour and conduct. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| remember there was a poster on here awhile ago saying that friends or colleages (or whatever) of his were visiting from Saudi Arabia and they all commented that Koreans seem like robots! That they'd never seen people act so much like robots! |
I'm not sure how much stock I'd place in this. Members of any culture often seem to lack individuality when viewed by outsiders. Sociologists have a phrase for this phenomenon: out-group homogeneity or something like that. When you are not part of a group, it seems like the people inside the group are all the same. |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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I was also told by a professor of Korean culture that if a stranger is too overtly friendly too you people are dubious because they think he/she may be a 'swindler'. Not a strong motivation to be friendly to others I think you will agree. Go out of your way to be nice, and people think it's a con! |
How is that different from back home? |
I wouldn't know about Canada. I've never been there and I have no great desire too. I'm Australian, and whilst I'm not a good example, most people are relatively friendly and polite. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Blind Willie wrote:
Mashimaro wrote:
I was also told by a professor of Korean culture that if a stranger is too overtly friendly too you people are dubious because they think he/she may be a 'swindler'. Not a strong motivation to be friendly to others I think you will agree. Go out of your way to be nice, and people think it's a con!
How is that different from back home?
I wouldn't know about Canada. I've never been there and I have no great desire too. I'm Australian, and whilst I'm not a good example, most people are relatively friendly and polite. |
There are two possible situations here:
A. I approach a total stranager for assistance with something(say directions to a bus stop), and he replies in a friendly manner.
B. A total stranger approaches me and starts talking in a friendly manner, for no apparent reason.
A is cool. If I'm asking for help, its nice for the person to be friendly, and I try to do the same thing when I'm the one being asked for assistance. But B is a different story. In my experience, most people who just start talking to you out of the blue have some sort of self-serving agenda.
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Paji eh Wong
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I took a survey course of Chinese history in school. I had this great prof who had these really vivid lectures that stuck in my head. He mentioned that there are large differences between Confucianism and Neo-Confucianism. Neo-Confucianism was a reaction to the Mongol invasion and the Yuan dynasty (I think, I'm no expert). The Chinese spent about a hundred years fighting each other, and then another hundred having their asses handed to them my Mongolians. So intellectuals turned back to Confucianism, looking for some harmony. After 200 years of war and being the prison bitch of outsiders, I could see how harmony and xenophobia were interesting ideas.
Now think about these ideas moving to Korea where they've had an even worse history of invasion.
Not that I'm making apologies for it. I dislike confucianism because, IMHO, it and democracy are mutually exclusive. |
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weatherman
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| Neo Confucianism can go by other names too, but it doesn��t usually get these labels. Try ��fundamentalist Confucianism�� ��ultra orthodox Confucianism�� terms we use for extremes in other schools of thought. Lets face it, Neo Confucianism really is quite repressive on a social and intellectual level, where women are repressed, there is a clear hierarchal system of who can do what, questioning of ideas is wrong. Really we are dealing with a society that is still dealing with a lot of left over issues from this past. Korea could teach other fundamentalist societies something I believe in sharing its experience in coming out of this way of thinking. |
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