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If you're leaving, your director doesn't have to pay! Shhh!

 
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Korea Newfie



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Newfoundland and Labrador

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:32 pm    Post subject: If you're leaving, your director doesn't have to pay! Shhh! Reply with quote

Okay, so my director recently said that he can't pay my bonus, because he can't afford two foreign teachers. So, when I leave, I won't be replaced. Then, on Monday, it came out that not only is he replacing me, but expects me to praise the school to my replacement.

Anyway, he's still not paying the bonus, so I went to the labour board. I figured it's a pretty open and shut case, so no problem. However, in order for them to make him pay anything, I have to file a complaint 14 days after my contract is over, and have to be in the country.

But, what about the fact that my visa says I have to leave three days after my contract finishes, and that I have stuff to do back at home? Too bad.

Can I do it from home? No.

Can I have a friend do it for me? No.

The labour board guy said sorry, but the laws were made for Koreans not for foreigners. So I asked what's to make any boss ever pay anything to an employee who leaves the country? He said, "nothing, I guess..."

Nice.

(Perhaps there should be a moratorium on hiring/screwing us until there are laws in place for us?)

Anyway, anybody have any advice here?

I'm thinking of threatening to print up signs in Korean with his name, face, and true story of the school to post all around the neighbourhood, but I don't know if the cops will come after me.
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Mankind



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyway, anybody have any advice here?


Yes go to immgration and get an extension. Then file your paper work with the LB. You can also list someone as your representative at that point if you leave the country.

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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get an extension on your visa from Immigration. It's not hard to do, especially if you explain your situation to them.

Also, has your hogwon been paying taxes? If they think you can get away without paying your severance, probably not. The next time you discuss your severance with him, let him know that you are planning on contacting the Tax Office to get a record of taxes you've paid in Korea. You know, to make sure you're square with Revenue Canada and all that. Wink

He's probably more scared of the Tax Office than the Labor Board, so that might get him off his ass.
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just got my bonus yesterday! Whoooooohhoooooo!

But it wasn't all sunshine and glory.


Read here.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=21966
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snufalufagus



Joined: 10 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually when you file an official appeal/complaint with the labor board as a complaint and it's accepted (ie, officially investigated) you are legally extended to stay in the country for the investigation period, but it's still best to extend your visa on your own.
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PatrickSiheung



Joined: 21 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would get it extended on my own too. Cover all your bases. Since when does the right hand know what the left hand is doing in Korea?

Or any country for that matter.
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Korea Newfie



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Newfoundland and Labrador

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mankind wrote:
Yes go to immgration and get an extension. Then file your paper work with the LB.



Mankind wrote:
You can also list someone as your representative at that point if you leave the country.


I think I addressed both of these points in my OP. I have stuff to do back at home. Back in school in September, and don't have a summer to waste chasing money that's rightfully mine. And no, a representative isn't allowed. I have to be here in the flesh, or it's dismissed.
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Mankind



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I addressed both of these points in my OP. I have stuff to do back at home. Back in school in September, and don't have a summer to waste chasing money that's rightfully mine. And no, a representative isn't allowed. I have to be here in the flesh, or it's dismissed.
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Wrong and please read.

Get a 2 week extension and file your complaint. Pick a representative and let the LB know at that time (can't pick a rep before your complaint, but can after). Than go home! I think thats what I said below.

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Yes go to immgration and get an extension. Then file your paper work with the LB. You can also list someone as your representative at that point if you leave the country.


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Korea Newfie



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Newfoundland and Labrador

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mankind wrote:
Wrong and please read.


I have neither the ability (not being a LB rep) nor the inclination to argue about this. I just had a 45 minute meeting with the labour board rep near my house, and he told me if I'm not here to "negotiate" in person, then there's nothing I can do. If that's wrong, then I've gotten incorrect information from the man himself.

p.s. When you say I'm wrong, please back it up. You've said what to do, but not why it will work in the face of what I've said. Perhaps your tip is correct, but it comes across as being what you assume will work. If you've done it personally, then I stand corrected.

p.p.s. "Negotiate"?????.... Evil or Very Mad

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Mankind



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do occasional work for the LB and my wife works for them. I'd suggest you call the LB translation 'hotline' (forget the number). Don't tell them you've talked to anyone at the LB yet and ask them for help. They are generally more helpful at first. Once your complaint is entered you can have a rep. The guy you talked with, avoid him, either lazy or dense is my guess.

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Juggertha



Joined: 27 May 2003
Location: Anyang, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if anyone could find that number it might help him out.

honestly though, chances are the "officer" you talked to was just incorrect. Lots of room to manouver in the aplication of the laws here. Sad
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Mankind



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just checked with the wife. IF you go the route I said she said the most agents won't be overly helpful to your rep. She thinks the agent you talked to is major lazy. She said to call the call center and either they will call on your behalf or will try to explain things to an agent so that they'll call your boss. That solves about 90% of problems.

Call center number: 02 872 9797

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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KN, even if you really can't stay for even one more day past your visa period, get the extension anyway and tell him you got it because you're planning to fight for your bonus.

Even if it's only a bluff, it's better than nothing.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:34 pm    Post subject: labor board Reply with quote

Just a quick 2 cents on the labor board

The election day holiday, which was touted as a national holiday.

I was told I would have to work that day so...........
I contacted the labor board to ask if it was in fact a national holiday.

The 'gentleman Rolling Eyes Question ' I talked to said yes it is a national holiday....BUT.... it is only for Koreans who are going to vote and they are supposed to go back to work immediately following their voting.

I asked is this a national holiday like Chusok? 'Yes but only for Koreans' Rolling Eyes

I said 'if it is a national holiday then everybody should have it off....to only say Koreans get it off is silly Exclamation '

His reply was 'You are silly Exclamation Exclamation Mad '

Some of the people working for the labor board are either stupid, biased or misinformed or all of the above.

I ended up hanging up laughing at the absudity of the situation. He really got angry with me when I started laughing and started name calling. I just felt this was one more ludicrous situation......only in Korea. Wink Laughing
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