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cacheSurfer
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 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:51 pm Post subject: Teaching Hours ? |
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30 hours per week.
1. Is that being at the hagwon for 6 hours? (i.e.- six 40/50 minute classes everyday)
2. Or is that 30 teaching hours?
thanx. |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on the school and the contract. Some of them give you the extra ten minutes for free. (ie 50 minutesx 30 classes a week)
Some of them want the whole thirty hours that they're paying you for.
edit: If the hogwan has 40 minute classes, expect to teach more than 30 classes a week. |
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ghostshadow
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching Hours ? |
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| cacheSurfer wrote: |
30 hours per week.
1. Is that being at the hagwon for 6 hours? (i.e.- six 40/50 minute classes everyday)
2. Or is that 30 teaching hours?
thanx. |
Most likely it would be #2, the hours that you are teaching in the classroom. The hours that you will need for prep, grading, teacher meetings, and so forth is most likely not part of the 30 hours. So you will most likely be there longer then 30 hours a week, but only teach total of 30 hours. |
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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching Hours ? |
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| ghostshadow wrote: |
| cacheSurfer wrote: |
30 hours per week.
1. Is that being at the hagwon for 6 hours? (i.e.- six 40/50 minute classes everyday)
2. Or is that 30 teaching hours?
thanx. |
Most likely it would be #2, the hours that you are teaching in the classroom. The hours that you will need for prep, grading, teacher meetings, and so forth is most likely not part of the 30 hours. So you will most likely be there longer then 30 hours a week, but only teach total of 30 hours. |
so are you saying.......nine 40 minute classes everyday.
does anybody actually do that many classes per week? |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching Hours ? |
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| cacheSurfer wrote: |
| ghostshadow wrote: |
| cacheSurfer wrote: |
30 hours per week.
1. Is that being at the hagwon for 6 hours? (i.e.- six 40/50 minute classes everyday)
2. Or is that 30 teaching hours?
thanx. |
Most likely it would be #2, the hours that you are teaching in the classroom. The hours that you will need for prep, grading, teacher meetings, and so forth is most likely not part of the 30 hours. So you will most likely be there longer then 30 hours a week, but only teach total of 30 hours. |
so are you saying.......nine 40 minute classes everyday.
does anybody actually do that many classes per week? |
There was a summer when I did nine 50 minute classes every day. I taught conversation from 7-8, composition from 8-9, grammar from 9-10, Toeic from 10-noon, listening comprehension from 5-7 pm, and composition again from 7-9 pm. It was horrible, but I survived. I couldn't have done it longer than the summer. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:21 am Post subject: arggghhhh |
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Some of them want the whole thirty hours that they're paying you for.
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NO   Some of them want more than the 30 hours they are paying you for
Never sign a contract for 30 hours a week
You should only sign contracts that stipulate a maximum of 6 40-50 minute classes a day 5 days a week.
Hogwans keep ripping people off trying to make them work the full 1800 minutes a week. do the math 1800/40 = 45 classes a week/5 =9 classes a day...1800/50= 36 classes a week/5= 7 a day + one extra floater class.
Thats a whole hell of a lot of work and prep. Accept 5-6 50 minute classes a day. 6x50=300x5 days a week = 1500. Dont work for nothing Anything over 6 classes a day should be overtime...INSIST on it [/quote] |
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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:35 am Post subject: Re: arggghhhh |
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| Grotto wrote: |
Some of them want the whole thirty hours that they're paying you for.
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[NO Some of them want more than the 30 hours they are paying you for
Never sign a contract for 30 hours a week
You should only sign contracts that stipulate a maximum of 6 40-50 minute classes a day 5 days a week.
Hogwans keep ripping people off trying to make them work the full 1800 minutes a week. do the math 1800/40 = 45 classes a week/5 =9 classes a day...1800/50= 36 classes a week/5= 7 a day + one extra floater class.
Thats a whole hell of a lot of work and prep. Accept 5-6 50 minute classes a day. 6x50=300x5 days a week = 1500. Dont work for nothing Anything over 6 classes a day should be overtime...INSIST on it |
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that was my assumption.
30 hours=six 40/50 minute classes. (plus 1 hour of prep time everyday) |
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oneiros
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:05 am Post subject: |
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I'd love to try this arguement back home.
"I know I said I'd work 40 hours a week, but I'm only going to work 50 minutes of every hour. I'm sorry." 
Heck, I don't mind getting paid for time I'm not actually working.
But if I've signed a contract that says I'll work 30 hours, I'm not going to throw a fit because my boss wants me to work more than 20-25. Similarily, I wouldn't be too happy if my boss came up to me after I signed the contract and said, "I'm sorry. An hour is actually 70 minutes."
If you only want to teach 30 classes a week, then sign a 30-class/week contract. Don't sign a 30 hour a week contract, and then be upset when that's what they expect.
Flame away. I know this is an unpopular opinion around here. All those contract law classes have had an unfortunate effect on me.  [/b] |
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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| oneiros wrote: |
I'd love to try this arguement back home.
"I know I said I'd work 40 hours a week, but I'm only going to work 50 minutes of every hour. I'm sorry."
Heck, I don't mind getting paid for time I'm not actually working.
But if I've signed a contract that says I'll work 30 hours, I'm not going to throw a fit because my boss wants me to work more than 20-25. Similarily, I wouldn't be too happy if my boss came up to me after I signed the contract and said, "I'm sorry. An hour is actually 70 minutes."
If you only want to teach 30 classes a week, then sign a 30-class/week contract. Don't sign a 30 hour a week contract, and then be upset when that's what they expect.
Flame away. I know this is an unpopular opinion around here. All those contract law classes have had an unfortunate effect on me. [/b] |
I used to work at a glass shop when i was in college.
Anyway, we often spent a good deal of time driving from point A to point B. Did they pay me when I was sitting on my butt in the truck?
Of course!
Why? Because I was at work and that was a part of work.
(technically, i didnt "work" 40 hours, but I still got paid for 40 hours)
I think the same situation should apply here. Being at work for 30 hours a week is a 30 hour work week. |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| cacheSurfer wrote: |
I used to work at a glass shop when i was in college.
Anyway, we often spent a good deal of time driving from point A to point B. Did they pay me when I was sitting on my butt in the truck?
Of course!
Why? Because I was at work and that was a part of work.
(technically, i didnt "work" 40 hours, but I still got paid for 40 hours)
I think the same situation should apply here. Being at work for 30 hours a week is a 30 hour work week. |
Presumably, driving the truck to different locations was within your scope of duties for the job. I'm sure your employer would feel differently if, rather than driving the truck, you were, for example, hanging out at a coffee shop.
If you have assigned duties to perform during the breaks between classes (ie doing placement interviews) then, by all means, argue that it should constitute part of your paid hours. (And no, I don't count rushing to do preparation for your next class because you didn't want to come in early.)
If you're using it as break time, then you don't have much of an arguement. |
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JacktheCat
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: |
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If you have assigned duties to perform during the breaks between classes (ie doing placement interviews) then, by all means, argue that it should constitute part of your paid hours. (And no, I don't count rushing to do preparation for your next class because you didn't want to come in early.)
If you're using it as break time, then you don't have much of an arguement. |
If it was a true (no-school-work-at-all) break, then yes I agree with you whole heartedly.
However I've yet to meet a teacher doesn't use the break between classes to do something school\teaching related, be it lesson planning or entertaining the kiddies.
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Michelle
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: Gotta love an idealist... |
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Yep,
You gotta love an idealist CacheSurfer.
That is just the way it should be, huh.
Unfortunately I don't know of any places that actually do it.
They are a rarity. Even in the language schools at home in Australia it was a grey issue (this term is so wonderfully used as a brush off). I was grateful when one school offered half pay for preperation. Most of them simply expected us to be responsible and do it.
Note: at least it means they can't legitimately ask to see your prep work before you go to class.
OH NO. I have become what I never wanted to be.
a CYNIC.
(the look on the faces of those evil cynics that taught me of late,
you know who you are) |
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JacktheCat
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Gotta love an idealist... |
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| Michelle wrote: |
OH NO. I have become what I never wanted to be.
a CYNIC.
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Welcome to the club.
Korea will turn even the most idealistic, blushy eyed optimist into a worn out, jaded cynic. |
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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| oneiros wrote: |
| cacheSurfer wrote: |
I used to work at a glass shop when i was in college.
Anyway, we often spent a good deal of time driving from point A to point B. Did they pay me when I was sitting on my butt in the truck?
Of course!
Why? Because I was at work and that was a part of work.
(technically, i didnt "work" 40 hours, but I still got paid for 40 hours)
I think the same situation should apply here. Being at work for 30 hours a week is a 30 hour work week. |
Presumably, driving the truck to different locations was within your scope of duties for the job. I'm sure your employer would feel differently if, rather than driving the truck, you were, for example, hanging out at a coffee shop.
If you have assigned duties to perform during the breaks between classes (ie doing placement interviews) then, by all means, argue that it should constitute part of your paid hours. (And no, I don't count rushing to do preparation for your next class because you didn't want to come in early.)
If you're using it as break time, then you don't have much of an arguement. |
actually, i stay in the classroom and converse with the students who come early for the next class. do i ever get any from the little boogers? No!
Those few minutes give me a chance to organize things too.
I wouldn't really call it a break though. |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:55 am Post subject: |
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If it was a true (no-school-work-at-all) break, then yes I agree with you whole heartedly.
However I've yet to meet a teacher doesn't use the break between classes to do something school\teaching related, be it lesson planning or entertaining the kiddies. |
Again, I make the distinction between assigned and unassigned duties. If the director says "You have to supervise the kids between classes", that's assigned duties. If you're doing it because you think it's a professional thing to do, that's wonderful, but it's something you've just volunteered to do.
And most schools I know of count prep time as unpaid. I'm not saying that's right. I'm just saying that's the way most contracts treat it, so you can't turn around after you've signed and ask to be paid for it. |
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