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The Hagwon Report . . . where is it??

 
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Lou3511



Joined: 01 Mar 2004
Location: Annandale, VA

PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:20 am    Post subject: The Hagwon Report . . . where is it?? Reply with quote

Sorry for posting so many questions lately, but . . .

every link I click on for "The Hagwon Report" is broken or mis-linked . . . does such a report still exist? Where?

Okay, thanks.
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Lost Seoul



Joined: 10 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:59 am    Post subject: re: hagwon report Reply with quote

Hope to bring it back in the not too distant future.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem with the H-report is in method and safeguards.

How do you evaluation the validity of a claim?

Do you verify these accusations or even bother to see if they are substantiated?

Considering the source of some of these complaints, are you willing and able to dismiss some of the complaints when they are clearly miss-founded?

Such a report or a list is problematic at best unless it is run by people with professionalism and objectiveness.
This means that while some hakwons are at fault, some teachers are also often at fault and make unfounded accusations.
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SweetBear



Joined: 18 May 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I agree with Homer somewhat ( what's new , Laughing ) I do think that it's a good idea to do some reaserch on any prospective employer here, basically you're going in blind otherwise. I have known of some pretty lousy schools and although the percentage was fairly low, I have seen how much distress it has caused in an individual's life. Do as much resarch as you can. Consider that there might be more than a grain of truth to negative accounts but beware of inflamatory statements. In other words, at the end of the day, use your head and your gut instinct. I believe that EFL law had some such hagwon report, but haven't looked at their site recently.

Good luck,

Sb
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Homer
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with da Bear on doing research before coming over or signing any contract.
That is just common sense 101.

However, until a school list is being run by professionally minded people, I would put very little credence into what ends up on there.
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Lost Seoul



Joined: 10 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:


Do you verify these accusations or even bother to see if they are substantiated?

Considering the source of some of these complaints, are you willing and able to dismiss some of the complaints when they are clearly miss-founded?

Such a report or a list is problematic at best unless it is run by people with professionalism and objectiveness.
This means that while some hakwons are at fault, some teachers are also often at fault and make unfounded accusations.


What I offer is a list of archive material. It is up to those accessing the information to decide the validty of a claim and who to believe and who not to believe.

These lists include both good and bad reports.

I try to be as professional as possible but I do have to balance this with a full time job (etc)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should feel good about the efforts you put in.

However, if the list is just for information purposes, it loses some credibility as whatever ends up on there can be interpreted any number of ways depending on who reads it.

A true list (not saying it is your job to build one) should post reports that are substantiated and verified.
This would be usefull to both prospective teachers and could conceivable force certain schools to change their ways.
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