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Dalton
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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So it's just a scare tactic?
I don't see the use. Those who probably would run would ignore it, and those who don't run don't need that clause in the contract. Right? |
I was responding to Mog and speaking generally about contracts with clause that deduct pay for anything other than legitimate taxes. |
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Us in DC
Joined: 22 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:25 am Post subject: |
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As far as the second contract goes, this is how I feel. I don't know if I am being ridiculous on some of these points.
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Air Ticket
Economy class air ticket from the nearest international airport ( Washington DC) to the employee to Korea will be provided on condition of arrival at the working place in Korea. A returning air ticket will be provided to the Employee�s home upon completing of the full contract period. Regardless of the point of departure, the return ticket will be provided to the nearest international airport(Washington DC) to the Employee�s home, and not to the point of departure, should they differ.
In the event that the Employee continues employment under a subsequent employment agreement with the Employer, the return air ticket will be provided at the time of completion of the subsequent contract period(s).
When the Employee resigns within 6 months from his/her arrival in Korea because of the Employee�s faults, the Employee shall reimburse the Employer the airfare paid at the time of arrival in Korea.
When the Employee resigns after 6 months from the Employee�s arrival in Korea and not completed 1 year contract, the Employer shall not give the Employee a returning ticket to his/ her home country. |
This is a deal breaker for me. I don't know why they would even put this in here.
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| The Employer will deduct 150,000 Korean Won from the Employee�s monthly payment for first three months to make 450,000 Korean Won in total as housing management deposit. This deposit is to cover unpaid monthly service, utility, and telephone charges which will be billed at following or next following month after the Employee�s contract period. Dependent on a written guarantee from a guarantor acceptable to the Employer, the Employer agrees to return the deposit in full to the Employee at the time of completion of the Employee�s period of Contract including any period of employment beyond that covered by this agreement. In the absence of such written guarantee, the Employer will hold the full amount of the deposit until all outstanding monthly service, utility, and telephone charges have been paid. |
Thank you FUBAR, that's what I thought.
[/quote]Medical Insurance
The Employer agrees to join employee Korean national medical insurance scheme in compliance with Korean labor law. It doesn�t include dental insurance.
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I want to insist that the % of my pay to be deducted be written in the contract. Why not? They should be able to tell how much that is. Am I being a jerk?
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Teaching Materials
The Employee will be given materials to teach to the class. And very little reparation time may be given. The Employee may be expected to work alone without a Korean English teacher�s assistance.
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I don't know what this part in bold is supposed to mean. Any ideas?
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The Employee shall be expected to prepare daily topics for the class beforehand.
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Again, What? Any ideas?
Also, there is nothing in the contract about the Korean Social Security (forget what they call it), that doesn't seem right? Am I wrong? |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:57 am Post subject: lets see |
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144/4=36 thats 36 classes a week, 7 classes a day....thats a lot of classes.
LOL...'Classes and teaching schedules will be organized by employer and will be flexible in accordance with the special needs and situations of the school and children'
What about your needs and situation? It seems to scream out to me that they will give you split shifts!
Salary is paid on what day???
Air ticket? WTF! It sounds like they are only supplying a round trip ticket from Washington and it is up to you to get there!
Shared housing sucks.... 
WHAT  . Dependent on a written guarantee from a guarantor acceptable to the Employer, the Employer agrees to return the deposit in full to the Employee at the time of completion of the Employee뭩 period of Contract including any period of employment beyond that covered by this agreement
LMAO Lateness: If the Employee is late to the class 10 minutes without notification, one hour rate of payment may be deducted.
You are late we are docking you one hour..okay see you in an hour  |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: lets see |
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| Air ticket? WTF! It sounds like they are only supplying a round trip ticket from Washington and it is up to you to get there! |
Actually, I read that as an acknowledgement that the OP is currently living in Washington. Look at the user name, Us_in_DC, as in Washington DC, on the eastern seaboard.
If any hagwon were foolish enough to try to save money on a flight by doing that, they would make you fly out of NYC or Los Angeles, where tickets really are significantly cheaper than the rest of the U.S. |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Us in DC: You should really really tell us if these school want you to teach kindy. Kindy + elementary generally results in much more annoying schedules than pure elementary. Also tell us how big the schools are since big schools tend to be a bit more established and dependable.
Second contract:
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| The regular teaching time will be 120 hours a month (for example: 144classes of 45 minutes class), |
So one class doesn't count as one hour. Lots of hagwons do that, but its nice when they don't (especially when there are short classes with long breaks between them).
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| Overtime work except emergency should be informed to employee at least 7 days in advance and employee is to be positive to take it. |
Not bad.
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Regardless of the point of departure, the return ticket will be provided to the nearest international airport(Washington DC) to the Employee뭩 home, and not to the point of departure, should they differ.
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What does that mean exactly?? My reading comprehention isn't what it once was.
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| In the event that the Employee continues employment under a subsequent employment agreement with the Employer, the return air ticket will be provided at the time of completion of the subsequent contract period(s). |
Irrelevant, you can renegotiate whatever you want if you want to work a second year.
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When the Employee resigns within 6 months from his/her arrival in Korea because of the Employee뭩 faults, the Employee shall reimburse the Employer the airfare paid at the time of arrival in Korea.
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Not a good thing, but something that is apprently becoming more common in Korea.
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| The Employer will deduct 150,000 Korean Won from the Employee뭩 monthly payment for first three months to make 450,000 Korean Won in total as housing management deposit. |
That's not good. That pull making you refund the airfare could end up hurting you quite a bit if you want to quit within the first six months.
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| the Employer agrees to return the deposit in full to the Employee at the time of completion of the Employee뭩 period of Contract |
So at the end of your contract they owe you:
-The pay for your last month.
-Your bonus.
-Your housing deposit.
-Your return airfare.
That's a hell of a lot of money to have in what amounts to an unsecure loan to a Korean business.
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| And very little reparation time may be given. |
That's good. You aren't paid for preparation time.
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| subject to the arrangement by the employer and being requested by the employee more than four weeks in advance and approved subject to convenience of re-arranging the teaching schedules by the employer |
Oooooh you can request your own vacation time. That's nice. I wish I had that.
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School holidays will be included in above employee뭩 holidays.
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What does that mean exactly?? If it means that schoolwide holidays exist and are deducted from your 10 days then you probably don't have much control over when you can have your holiday afterall.
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| Professional dress and grooming in the work are essential to maintain the desired reputation to the school. The Employer shall establish general guidelines for this. |
Bleh.
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| The Employee shall respect the Korean people뭩 moral standards and customs. |
Hmmmmmm.
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Any form of physical punishment to students cannot be tolerated.
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Income tax rates will not exceed 4% of the monthly salary.
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4% seems more normal than 5%. No mention of pension payments though, I'd ask about that.
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| The Employee will be allowed several days from the date of arrival in Korea for adjustment and school orientation before beginning regular teaching duties. Computation of initial pay period of the Employee will commence from the first teaching day. |
IE you show up and don't get paid. Try to at least get them to give you free food 
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Termination
The Employer and the Employee may terminate the contract with the written notice 40 days in advance. |
That's random. And not legal AFAIK. Korean labor law says 30 days I believe.
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That type of clause is 100% BS. The company never has to do that. They can withhold your last months pay until you prove that your last month's utilities are paid. They don't need to take a deposit from you in your first three months there.
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Exactly.
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| This is just a way that hagwons protect themselves incase you do a runner in your first 3 months or they decide to fire you. |
Again, exactly.
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| The Employee will be given materials to teach to the class. And very little reparation time may be given. The Employee may be expected to work alone without a Korean English teacher뭩 assistance. |
Despite the bad spelling this is a GOOD thing. Like I said before you don't get paid for prep so the less they expect you to do the better.
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| Salary is paid on what day??? |
Ooooh good question, forgot that one. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 2:34 am Post subject: |
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A question: (And I do understand the OPs live in the DC area.)
Most/many contracts, you are given a round-trip ticket to your home. Well, frankly, if I'm living in Korea for a year, that IS my home. I mean, I don't have a house that I rent out or anything. So where do you get the return ticket to? Your last known address? Your parents' house? Have you found bosses to be rather open about this, or do you find yourself with a return ticket to a city you had no intent to return to? |
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