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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:58 am Post subject: Would you speak Korean with another foreigner? |
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On another thread, I said:
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There are millions of English students in Korea.
Why can't they speak English to each other? |
Eazy_E answered:
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Come on, tomato. How many English-speaking foreigners at Dave's gatherings are going to speak Korean to each other, even if both of them are interested in studying and becoming good at Korean? |
I don't know.
This is the only way I can answer his question. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:03 am Post subject: |
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I've tried but usually I don't get much response from the other side or the conversation takes a turn out of my Korean depth. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:33 am Post subject: |
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Nice idea. But There is no reason to practise faulty Korean conversation with other foreigners, when there are plenty of Koreans all around you who speak to a far superior level.
If we were studying Korean in America, and had no Koreans to talk to, it would make sense then to practise among ourselves, but not here.
Koreans should practise English with eachother, because they don't have native speakers to practise on. |
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shakuhachi

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:37 am Post subject: |
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I voted no. However I would qualify it by saying that I would speak in Korean to another westerner if we were in a group of Koreans, and I would speak to a non western foreigner in Korean. |
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the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:40 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
Nice idea. But There is no reason to practise faulty Korean conversation with other foreigners, when there are plenty of Koreans all around you who speak to a far superior level.
If we were studying Korean in America, and had no Koreans to talk to, it would make sense then to practise among ourselves, but not here.
Koreans should practise English with eachother, because they don't have native speakers to practise on. |
Negative. Studies show the language learners learn best when practicing with people of a similar language ability level and, contrary to popular opinion, these learners don't commnly pick up the other learners' mistakes. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Sure, I do all the time. With my Japanese friends, with classmates during class, with my Western friends when we are with Koreans who don't speak much English, and sometimes as code when I don't want nearby non-Koreans to understand me.
It can be useful. |
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ladyandthetramp

Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 3:03 am Post subject: |
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I see no reason not to. I've done it with every language I've learned. Rather than teach others the wrong way to speak, we often correct each other and ask questions about vocabulary grammar. Actually, people who learn a language as a second language are often better equipped to explain grammar to other foreigners than native speakers are. The native speakers often answer "it's just like that" or "I don't know why." |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:44 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
There is no reason to practise faulty Korean conversation with other foreigners, when there are plenty of Koreans all around you who speak to a far superior level. |
Second-language learners can scaffold and negotiate the target language with one another in ways native speakers often will not. |
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Yangkho

Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Location: Honam
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes you have to speak Korean to another foreigner...ever talked with any migrant workers who didn't speak English? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Yangkho wrote: |
Sometimes you have to speak Korean to another foreigner...ever talked with any migrant workers who didn't speak English? |
Strangely, I've spoken to Indians, bangladeshis and pakistanis here on buses and subways. They all speak English to varying degrees. |
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Zenpickle
Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Location: Anyang -- Bisan
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:12 am Post subject: |
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I go even a step further. Especially when I'm drunk, I speak in Korean, English, and German. What would that be called? Kongdeutsch?
Aye, but German is a fine language to cuss in. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:09 am Post subject: yes |
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I have done it. I go to language class, and I try not to speak any English in there. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Language classes, and your classmates are one thing, but random foreigners- no way. It seems both pretentious and awkward to communicate in a foreign tongue with spomeone who speaks your language unless your accomodating other people or studying the language at the time |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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OiGirl wrote: |
rapier wrote: |
There is no reason to practise faulty Korean conversation with other foreigners, when there are plenty of Koreans all around you who speak to a far superior level. |
Second-language learners can scaffold and negotiate the target language with one another in ways native speakers often will not. |
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Negative. Studies show the language learners learn best when practicing with people of a similar language ability level and, contrary to popular opinion, these learners don't commnly pick up the other learners' mistakes. |
Both spot on. I have, only once or twice and will again in the future when I get more focused on Korean study. |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
Language classes, and your classmates are one thing, but random foreigners- no way. It seems both pretentious and awkward to communicate in a foreign tongue with spomeone who speaks your language unless your accomodating other people or studying the language at the time |
I absolutely agree. A study setting is fine, but a social setting is just plain dumb. One, it's exclusive, leaving out some of those who you may be with whose grasp isn't the same, and two it just looks plain stupid. Other foreigners laugh, and Koreans laugh. I wouldn't bother. More power to you if that's the way you want to go, but don't expect me to talk to you haha. Christ it's hard enough to find a foreigner in the street in Korea that will even acknowledge your existence, let alone talk to you in their non native language. |
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