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The dating "chaperone" phenomenon
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katydid



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say that this is not just limited to when a white guy gets in a first date with a Korean girl. I remember my first year here one of my adult students really developed this crush on this other adult student of mine, and he really wanted to ask her out. She worked at McDonald's. My student (who was also becoming a very good friend of mine) went there to have lunch, and for him to finally get off his butt, grow a spine and ask her out. Laughing She came by our table and joked that we were on a date...he was temporarily mortified (I didn't take that personally) and then went up to ask her out.

She accepted and then she showed up for the date that weekend with another girlfriend. He was OK with it the first time...well, a little perturbed but said nothing...until the second time she accepted a "date" and showed up with a friend.

Unfortunately, but predictably, their relationship went nowhere.
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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

little mixed girl wrote:
i think that jumping into bed with someone that you just met to satisfy an itch in your pants is nasty.
that's how STDs get spread.
you might say that judging a person based on how many times they had sex is shallow, but it's been an ongoing thing to judge women that way.
a guy can brag about his sexual conquests, but for a girl to do the same she's seen as a *beep*.
i cut through the crap and call them both sluts.




I don't like people who use the word '*beep*' or 'skank' or 'ho'. You're just making other people feel bad about sex. Hurting someone through dishonesty or stupidity is one thing but there's nothing wrong with sex. Is there some reason you think it's 'nasty' cos if that's just how you personally feel about it then we can agree to disagree - and too bad for you imho.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
little mixed girl wrote:

i think that jumping into bed with someone that you just met to satisfy an itch in your pants is nasty.
that's how STDs get spread.


Having sex with multiple partners doesn't spread most STDs. Having unsafe sex with even one partner (like your husband on your wedding night) helps spread STDs.


Yeah, I have a friend who got herpes the first time she had sex: ouch. And I might add she waited a couple months, making sure she trusted the guy, blah blah blah, before she slept with him. He claims he never knew he had it. Could be true since not everyone shows symptoms of herpes.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LMG wrote:
but, wow. thanks for letting me know that only people who have sex can judge what's skanky or not! please book a spot on the next episode of 'maury' so you can tell those 15 yr old girls who love to brag about how many guys that they've slept with how cool and mature they are!
cuz i'm sure they know a lot more about sex than me! i mean, from them i hear such cool quotes as "i just open my legs and let the *beep* fall in".
those are REAL women for you! they might have some stds, but i'm sure you won't care. just hit the bong before you have sex with the girl that gives sex away for a bag of potato chips!

It's one thing to be ignorant, but quite another to joyfully proclaim your ignorance from the highest mountain top as you so often do on here.

Feel free to hold your ultra conservative veiws on sex. I don't think those views are healthy, but I respect your right to hold them. But the reason you draw my scorn was because you characterised people who have a more positive veiw of sex as skanks, and sex it's self as nasty. I think you'd be more comfortabe in Islamic society. And I truly feel sorry for your future husband on his wedding night.

Further, and this is where I generously educate you despite your poor attititude, having sex does not cause the transmission of std's. There is simply no causal relationship there. Having sex with out condoms indeed can cause the transmission of std's. I notice a lot of ultra conservatives who are trying to push an abstinance agenda often use phrases something like "Sex causes std's" or something similar. That is grossly misleading and just the kind of thing that ignorant reactionaries spout in order to control people's behaviour through fear. Thankfully, most people are way too intelligent to fall for it and prefer to use thier brain and assess the facts, and make an informed decision for themselves.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
I think you'd be more comfortabe in Islamic society.


That is true. Alternatives for non-muslims include becoming a nun, hanging out with the "ring of abstinence" crew, being buds with John Ashcroft, etc.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed Mr Bum. Very Happy

Try this analogy. "If you spend all day in the sun you'll get sunburn". Sounds reasonable, but it's not true. If you wear suntan lotion, a hat, and spend the day under a sun umbrella it's highly unlikely you'll get sunburn. Just because it's possible to get sunburn, does that mean we ban beaches?
Or just because cars can kill, do we ban cars? No, rather we learn to wear seatbelts and to drive safely. The same should apply to sex.
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little mixed girl



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't really have time to respond to all the posts individually cuz i have a bus to catch.

but, yes, i do think it's nasty to just hop in the bed with someone.
you guys will get all icky if u think that the unused side dishes in a korean place get reused, but have no problem hoping in the bed with someone you've never met?

those girls i talked about are not people that i made up.
they enjoy sex just as much as you all seem to, so by the logic i see here, it's perfectly fine for them to have free sex.

i never said that sex causes stds. and a condom cannot protect you from all stds.
of course there's a chance that i could get aids from contaminated blood at a hospital, but there's an easier chance of me getting it by having casual sex. and the hospital won't leave me pregnant, because as you obviously know "it only takes one time".

if u are in a commited relationship with someone, then fine. have your sex. but i stand by what i said, hoping into bed with someone you don't know just to get your jollies off is nasty.

i know girls who are around my age (older or younger by no more than 2 yrs) who have gotten into bad situations through sex. none of that would have happened if people could just hold off.
i know people older than me who have gotten into bad situations because they had casual sex.

like i said. if you have someone that you've been with for a while and you want to have sex, fine. but 'hooking up/one night stands', etc, that's just nasty. it's all fun until you wake up in the morning with you *beep* shrivled off, or you get a call from the girl you were with saying "the condom broke, you're my baby's daddy and i want child support".
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

little mixed girl wrote:
i don't really have time to respond to all the posts individually cuz i have a bus to catch.

but, yes, i do think it's nasty to just hop in the bed with someone.
you guys will get all icky if u think that the unused side dishes in a korean place get reused, but have no problem hoping in the bed with someone you've never met?

comparing food hygeine with sex? that's a bit of a leap. apples and oranges as far as I'm concerned.

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those girls i talked about are not people that i made up.
they enjoy sex just as much as you all seem to, so by the logic i see here, it's perfectly fine for them to have free sex.

No problem with me. As far as I'm concerned you're free to bang or not bang whoever you want as along as it's constentual.

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i never said that sex causes stds. and a condom cannot protect you from all stds.

yes you did.

LMG earlier wrote:
i think that jumping into bed with someone that you just met to satisfy an itch in your pants is nasty.
that's how STDs get spread.


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of course there's a chance that i could get aids from contaminated blood at a hospital, but there's an easier chance of me getting it by having casual sex. and the hospital won't leave me pregnant, because as you obviously know "it only takes one time".


Again CAUSAL SEX DOES NOT EQUAL STDs. UNSAFE SEX EQUALS STDs.
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little mixed girl



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from what i've seen most casual sex is also unsafe sex.

i see it as disrespectful of your mind and body to treat it like it's some rubbish on the floor. there's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex with someone, and there's nothing 'cool' or 'mature' about bragging about sexual conquests.
you can have one person who's had sex with 20 different people and another who's had sex with 1. the person with 20 to their name is not necessarily going to have any better sex than the person who did it once.

what's to be gained by jumping into bed with someone you've never met?
a few minutes or an hour of 'feel good'? the satisfaction of knowing that you could do it?

i could walk out in the street and get sex from the first guy i meet. but doing that only cheapens me. and there's no pride in showing off how easily i can get sex....

i think it's sad you guys feel that you have to get sex from your partner in order for it to be a 'real' relationship, or that sex will keep you interested in the person you're dating.
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cheem



Joined: 18 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

little mixed girl wrote:
from what i've seen most casual sex is also unsafe sex.

From what you've seen? What are you basing this on? Skin-flicks? This is false. From what I've seen people who are promiscuous are the most likely to practice safe sex, and the most knowledgeable about safe sex practices.

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there's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex with someone, and there's nothing 'cool' or 'mature' about bragging about sexual conquests.

No one is claiming these things, so I'm not quite sure what your point is here. The point many have been trying to make is that sex is a personal choice, free of morality. A person that has it often is no better than a person saving himself for marriage, or vice versa.

You're being judgemental. It's as simple as that.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

little mixed girl wrote:

what's to be gained by jumping into bed with someone you've never met?
a few minutes or an hour of 'feel good'? the satisfaction of knowing that you could do it?


Uh yeah. The latter one is more of a guy thing probably. Anything wrong with it??

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i could walk out in the street and get sex from the first guy i meet. but doing that only cheapens me. and there's no pride in showing off how easily i can get sex....


You could huh? That's a big time exageration.

And no one has mentioned pride in this discussion....


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i think it's sad you guys feel that you have to get sex from your partner in order for it to be a 'real' relationship, or that sex will keep you interested in the person you're dating.


You're jumping to conclusions there. And I don't think anyone on this thread has claimed the latter one (although my ex did a couple times).
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kiwiboy_nz_99



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LMG wrote:
from what i've seen most casual sex is also unsafe sex.

That's interesting, cause you've made it painfully clear to everyone here that you have seen nothing. Your knowledge of sex is purely theoretical. And as noted by another poster, promiscuous people are much more likely to use contraception and be knowledgable about std's and safe sex practices.
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i see it as disrespectful of your mind and body to treat it like it's some rubbish on the floor.

Er, so do I. But having sex with someone is not treating your body like it's rubbish. It is in fact doing yourself and your partner the greatest honor by celebrating the most glorious gift humans have been given. The sex drive is the "life force" that keeps us on the planet, and it's rather marvelous that it also happens to feel so good. It's natural, it's healthy, and it's normal. In fact, scientific studies have shown that people who have more sex live longer and have a higher happines index.
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there's nothing wrong with waiting to have sex with someone, and there's nothing 'cool' or 'mature' about bragging about sexual conquests.

You're right there's nothing wrong with waiting, but you went further and placed derogatory labels on those who choose to make other kind of choices. And for the record, no one here is bragging about sexual conquests, so I wonder why you brought that up.
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you can have one person who's had sex with 20 different people and another who's had sex with 1. the person with 20 to their name is not necessarily going to have any better sex than the person who did it once.

Here you are quite wrong indeed. Some couples may get lucky and have great chemestry as two virgins. But for the overwhelming majority of cases, people who have had a variety of partners simply have better sex, it's a fact.
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what's to be gained by jumping into bed with someone you've never met?
a few minutes or an hour of 'feel good'? the satisfaction of knowing that you could do it?

Maybe you have special powers that us mere mortals don't posess, but for most of us it would be extremely hard to jump into bed with someone we'd never met! Very Happy

What's to be gained? A LOT. But it's something that can't be put into words, and something you may never experience.
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i could walk out in the street and get sex from the first guy i meet. but doing that only cheapens me. and there's no pride in showing off how easily i can get sex....

Your naivety is palpable, and you simply don't know men. The fact is that it's highly unlikely you could do that. Yes, men are more interested in casual sex than women on the whole when they are young. But your sheltered life has led to a very exagerated veiw of the easiness of men, and the reality of how hooking up for sex actually happens.

And no one here has suggested that one of the reasons to have sex is pride in showing off how you can get it. So again, I wonder why you bring it up.
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i think it's sad you guys feel that you have to get sex from your partner in order for it to be a 'real' relationship, or that sex will keep you interested in the person you're dating.

Your choice of words betrays your deep unconscious attitude to sex, and it does not look healthy.

Get sex from your partner ...

Honey, just for the record, sex happens between two consenting adults. And all things going according to plan, both the woman and the man enjoy it emmensely.

As for sex keeping you interested in the person you're dating, most emphatically that is the case, and it is the same in marriage too. Poor sexual communication and unsatisfying sex lives are cited as the major causes for divorce in the US.
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peemil



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LMG.

You've got a lot of growing up to do.
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little mixed girl



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is starting to get old, and since i have midterms coming up i really can't spend all day arguing this out.

if you want to believe that casual sex is fine, then go for it.
as i said before, having sex with someone you have known for 5min is just skanky and whorish.

if you want to doubt how easy it would be for me to get sex then you can do that too. but i'm just talking about getting some random dude, not the next 'it' guy.

obviously i can't get anywhere in an arguement with someone who talks about how great smoking weed is Rolling Eyes
just like telling smokers that they can get lung cancer and die is not going to stop them from giving me the arguement that it 'feels good'.

you all have nothing to say about the teens that i've talked about who also like their permiscuous sex, which i find amusing. because i'm sure a 13yr old who's slept with 10 different guys will have a lot to say about how they also enjoy sex.

again, i can find people that are older than me, that have been involved in sexual relationships that would find this type of behavior appaulling.

this is like a health class, jerry springer nightmare.
"don't *beep* around"
"it feels good, stfu. i can do what i want with my body"
Rolling Eyes
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The Man known as The Man



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy, I like women who are nasty yet clean.
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