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thorin

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think we're missing the big picture here. Can you imagine the organization and planning that went into this scheme? Getting the cell phones, the rooms, and organizing all the manpower. Forget the entrance exam - these kids are brilliant. These are our CEO's of the future.  |
What Korea lacks in integrity, it makes up for with teamwork? 
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thorin

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jurassic5 wrote: |
i wonder how many kids in the states get caught cheating on their SAT? |
The key word here being "caught". If I'm a cheater, I'd rather take my chances here than in the states. It would be wrong to assume that this only happened at one testing center just because that was the only one to get exposed so far. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Gwangju's exam cheating scandal widened yesterday with allegations that as many as 200 students were involved in a scam using mobile phones and authorities reported a substitute test taker had been discovered.
By Jin Hyun-joo, The Korea Herald (November 24, 2004)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/11/24/200411240031.asp |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Real Reality
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:37 am Post subject: |
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College-obsessed society spurs cheating
Some officials at the Education Ministry think that cheating is a custom that happens every year. "We deserve to be a target of criticism from the public," said Kim Doo-yong at the Education Ministry. "The cheating scams have existed for several years. We were burdened with things that need to be taken care of [for the national college exam]."
The law was also generous to those who were involved in the cheating scam, allowing them to take the exam again the next year. The nation's education-centered society is afraid that students' future could be hurt if they were delayed from re-taking the exam.
by Jin Hyun-joo, The Korea Herald (November 25, 2004)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/11/26/200411260009.asp |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| I spent 2 years on my universities discipline committee. 95% of the cases were for cheating of some form. I heard maybe 50 cases, only 2 were not either chinese or korean. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| Someone above asked about cheating rates on SATs in the US. Search on "SAT cheating" brought up the stat that 1000 answer sheets a year are invalidated each year (out of 2 million) on suspicion of cheating. This site is eye-opening: http://www.cheatingculture.com/education.htm How do you spin that, Real Reality? |
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Real Reality
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:20 am Post subject: |
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You would be amazed even in kindergarten they cheat, the little devils. I had an incident where I caught them cheating on a test. I told my boss and ripped the papers up in front of them and told them if they ever did it again I'd tell their parents.
I have to wonder if even that will make them think twice about doing it again. I know it's harsh treatment for 6 and 7 year olds, but like I told my boss I'm going to hold them to a high standard of conduct whether the school expects it or not. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Police Reveal Higher Tally Of Gwangju Exam Cheats
Police have uncovered other student cells suspected of cheating on the College Scholastic Ability Test (CSAT) in Gwangju using mobile phones. This raises the number of those involved to 183 spread over four well-organized units - a statistic that is likely to climb higher still if other students' allegations prove true.
Chosun Ilbo (November 28, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200411/200411280022.html |
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Kwangjuchicken

Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| oneiros wrote: |
I think we're missing the big picture here. Can you imagine the organization and planning that went into this scheme? Getting the cell phones, the rooms, and organizing all the manpower. Forget the entrance exam - these kids are brilliant. These are our CEO's of the future.  |
I have to agree 100% with this one. Several times I have given the questions and the answers to students 3 weeks in advance for an examination. And, they do no better nor worse than when it is a total surprise. 1/3 will give me back the answers word for word. 1/3 will have bits and pieces and 1/3 will be a disaster (with some only putting their names on the paper).
This is why I now make attendance and participation the major factor in grades. Most will have perfect attendance and enjoy participating in class, especially in role play activities.
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Am I the only one who finds Real Reality's whole presense on this forum ironic?
He only posts Korean news links. Most put Korea in a negative light. Now, how credible can the Korean news be, if like RR keeps going on Korea has so many negative aspects, such as cheating?
If the New York Times can have people making up false stories, how credible are these Korean reports that keep getting linked time and time again?
Point: Yeah some kids cheated.
Korean News: always blows the smallest thing out of proportion. This is no different. A few students cheat and it's on the news day and night for a week. But like all other Korean news, it is quickly forgotten for the next thing to be blown out of proportion.
Real Reality: a tool who cannot post his own opinions, and he wonders why he isn't paid the same as his Korean counterparts or able to score a good job. Almost two years since you joined, and STILL posting useless crap. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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According to analyses of 248,000 among 300,000,000 text messages sent on the day of the examinations, provided by SK Telecom and LG Telecom, 550 messages that only consist of numbers sent during the exam period were found to match or resemble the answers to the tests. KTF submitted an additional 17,000 messages to the police on the same afternoon. A police source stated that "according to this analysis of text messages, it is highly probable that cheating during the college entrance exams may have occurred," and that "if one group had transmitted the answers to multiple recipients, the size of the cheating group could be substantial."
Five Hundred Fifty Suspicious Text Messages on College Examination Day Discovered
by by Jin-Kyun Kil, Donga.com (November 30, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004113074498
Mr. Pink wrote,
"A few students cheat."
Really? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Exam Cheating Detected Nationwide
The number of cheaters is expected to increase when the police finish its investigation into 12,000 message records of mobile operator KTF.
By Kim Rahn, Korea Times (November 30, 2004)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200411/kt2004113015561753460.htm
Mr. Pink wrote,
"A few students cheat."
Really? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:31 am Post subject: |
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More Cheaters, Substitute Exam-Takers Uncovered
The number of students suspected of cheating on the college entrance exam using cell phones has increased by 103 over the first detected groups in Kwangju, according to police on Wednesday.
By Kim Rahn, Korea Times (December 1, 2004)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200412/kt2004120115264210220.htm
Mr. Pink wrote,
"A few students cheat and it's on the news day and night for a week."
Really? |
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