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Racist verbal attacks. Why do they bother?
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Romulus



Joined: 07 May 2003
Location: Ilbon/Japan

PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 2:26 am    Post subject: Hes probably a nerd who's jealous and a troublemaker Reply with quote

There are alot of those school teacher types who think lifes ambition is to advise the world when its not asked for or needed.Id goodfella him myself.Its really rude doing that.But then again I dont ride the subway and I dont allow people in my taxi who I dont know.Those types prey on the weak and unexpected.Tell those types to move on quickly and forcefully.Everybody do yourself a favor too find yourself some Korean goodfella friends to handle those problems for you or to back you up.Let the Korean bad guys deal with Korean nuisance ,wannabees.Its the best justice.
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Juggertha



Joined: 27 May 2003
Location: Anyang, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you did fine Toby. The guy was looking for a confrontation... and you minimized it.

The truth is though.. your looking for an answer that you won't like. He really didn't have a good reason to do what he did. He's ignorant, not because of his opinions, but because of his avenue of sharing them with you.

A racist is a racist, period. No need to appologize for them. You will not be able to explain or rationalize them as they are not based in rational thought.
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Austin must be Korean. In that context his comments make sense.

Funny thing in Korea is, that whenever you have a bad experience in Korea, Koreans have a set store of apologetics (you dont understand korean history, you dont understand korean culture, etc).

Austin, you agree with what the korean man on the train did, dont you? He was standing up for Korean Honor right?
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Austin



Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: In the kitchen

PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 5:27 pm    Post subject: No... Reply with quote

Does the name "Steve Austin" sound Korean to you?

It is not a matter of me agreeing or disagreeing with what "that" man or any other man did or might do. The fact is that it happened, and the only thing that we can control is how we decide to react!

If you are seeking to fuel the situation, fine, do it your way. However, I like to defuse and avoid potential conflicts by stroking other people's egos and sensibilities. Therefore, I would not have engaged in questionable behavior in pubic in the first place. In the rare event that I may offend another person by my behavior, I will certainly offer up an apology and gracefully appease the person that I upset.

No stranger is going to knock me out of my center!

I do not see capitulating as a weakness, because by living the way I choose, I remain in control.

Do you get it?

By stroking the stranger's ego, I am the one that is actually doing the manipulating. However, if he is able to get me to "react," I have "lost," as he was able to knock me out of my center.
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would also apologise actually. But I would also add something. Probably something like this : 실례 했습나다. 아프로 주의 하겠습니다. 혹시 할 말 했으면 가세요.
I see that as a polite apology and also straight out telling him that you dont intend to be a verbal punching bag. What do you think of this sentence and what you you advise foreigners to say in Korean?
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldnt let me put korean and english in the same post without turning the korean to gibberish. Anyway, what do you say Austin?
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shakuhachi wrote:
I would also apologise actually. But I would also add something. Probably something like this : 실례 했습나다. 아프로 주의 하겠습니다. 혹시 할 말 했으면 가세요.
I see that as a polite apology and also straight out telling him that you dont intend to be a verbal punching bag. What do you think of this sentence and what you you advise foreigners to say in Korean?


I like shouting numbers at Koreans, too. Gets 'em every time.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shouting numbers puts them at ease immediately- they start smiling and shouting "bingo".
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Toby



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the phonetic version might be better, as I am not totally up with how to talk to someone in number code.

I do hear it can be quite insulting though! Oooooh, you bad nuimber 9.
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Toby



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody else suffering from similar attacks?
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not since October 27, 2003
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never even been nearly attacked in Korea. For all it's faults I think it's a very safe place to live. One of the main reasons I stay here in fact.
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Len8



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have heard a lot of reasons why people are prejudiced.

1. Being a member of what you think is an exclusive group, and looking down your nose at everyone else not in your group.

2. Having a need to assert your importance in a dominant ethnic group by treating others in another ethnic group as inferiors.

3. Not being able to accept the behaviour and culture of another race, because it's so foreign to your own.

4. Certain personalities particularly authoritarian personalities are very prone to being prejudiced.

Am sure there are a lot of reasons people are racist too.

1. It's maybe a result of negative sterotypes.

2. Part of ones culture to look down on certain other races.

3. Could be an inability to deal with conditions that one is not familiar with . End result is to treat the annoying condition with disdain.

May be other reasons people are racist. Any more ideas please share.
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is to Toby(met IRL) though others may read it of course. I've had few minor incidents in my time in Korea. Very minor and thats a reason why I'm here.

Korea is catching up with the rest of the world. But that fact is no excuse for the BS you had to put up with the other day.

Apologists for this ridiculous, racist behaviour should just go and take a long walk of a short pierre'.

Wink

I had a similar subway experience recently. I care deeply and plan to marry my gf soon.

An idiot ajoshi accosted us and told everyone how bad us weygooks are! FYI you can find it on another thread here so I wont go into the sad details of the affair. Me and the future missus are fine, and the ajoshi just made a bit of a fool of himself really.

Most Korean people are fine, friendly folks. There are a few arseholes though! It wont deter me from using the subway as it is a cheap and efficient way of getting around.

Take care Toby and I'll buy you a pint next time I see you..... It's been to long. I'll PM you later.................
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