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paperbag princess
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell
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 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject: are teachers really being busted? |
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i've heard rumours of many teachers being busted because of the sbs thing, is this true?
also, i've heard from recruiters that schools are dropping their foreign teacher positions b/c of the sbs thing as well, does anyone know if this is true? |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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I have no idea. And probably no one else does either.
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| i've heard from recruiters that schools are dropping their foreign teacher positions |
Please don't listen to recruiters. |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesus where are you hearing these things? At Geckos? Or from a vile and venemous Korean male? No doubt the worst thing you can do is go on this message board and start rumours without providing and clarifying your sources. Yes it IS starting rumours. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: |
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I think that the absence of feedback is more deafening than anything. I've also heard directly from recruiters that not a damn thing has changed.
I suppose if you get enough expats nervously ringing their hands together, just about any story or rumor can be expected to surface. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| The moderator of the EFL-law forum mentioned recently that 40 people were busted in Pusan for working illegally. I BELIEVE he/she is a lawyer, in regular touch with Immigration offices, and is somewhat in the know about arrests of illegals. You might want to check the EFL-law forum for more info. |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
Location: pusan baby!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:48 am Post subject: |
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The crack down in Busan is true.Immigration are on a full campaign down here and I know of several teachers who have been caught.Immigration is also visiting recruiters offices and warning them about advertising part time jobs.
In busan immigration usually do a sweep once a year anyway but this time it is definitely more serious. |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| waggo wrote: |
The crack down in Busan is true.Immigration are on a full campaign down here and I know of several teachers who have been caught.Immigration is also visiting recruiters offices and warning them about advertising part time jobs.
In busan immigration usually do a sweep once a year anyway but this time it is definitely more serious. |
Sounds more like a chicken little post because on SOME websites part time job advertising seems hotter than ever, especially this week. In fact I was highly disappointed because I'm only looking for full time but found only a few in comparison.
you wouldn't happen to be part of the yah-lets-kick-out-more-foreigners crowd would you? |
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paperbag princess
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:44 am Post subject: |
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i'm not starting rumours. i have heard from several different people, not at geek-os (sic), but from other people. my friend knew someone who got busted in the buncheon area, but said apparently a bunch more had been busted.
i've had two recruiters tell me about the sbs so that's why i wondered about that one. sorry to cause any problems. why can't they just be honest about the positions and say "i wasn't the only recruiter and you weren't the only teacher, sorry the better person got the job" or "you sucked in the interview" or "they were looking for a blonde" or whatever the truth is, instead of making up crap???  |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:48 am Post subject: |
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Recruiters will tell you things like this to try to knock you into accepting one of their crappier jobs.
Hold fast, and remind them that there are still several jobs in the public school sector that aren't even being filled. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| waggo wrote: |
The crack down in Busan is true.Immigration are on a full campaign down here and I know of several teachers who have been caught.Immigration is also visiting recruiters offices and warning them about advertising part time jobs.
In busan immigration usually do a sweep once a year anyway but this time it is definitely more serious. |
Just curious, but of the teachers that you know personally that have been caught, were they of the private tutor-type or were they cracking down on schools who were employing illegals?
As for the Busan recruiter thing, it's either the usual 'I heard from a friend, who heard from, blah/blah', or then the recruiters must have some big brass balls, as I know two Busan recruiters that peddle privates and they are still running ads, just as much as they ever did. You can check out the Busan Koreabridge FT/PT ads for proof of that.
And even if this was something more than just the product of chinese whispers in the teacher community down there, it certainly is not happening in Seoul, based on the way the PT gigs are being cranked out over at WorknPlay.
Sorry to be a partypooper, but I guess that I just need to hear a lot more than the average 'I heard about this' 2nd hand grapevine stuff, to counter some of the simple truths that we are seeing elsewhere that still show a continuing trend of the status quo. |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| They're busting illegals. It's hardly a reason for any of us the get up in arms about. |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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MBC news report this morning reported that 60 esl teachers were busted in Ilsan and other citeis near Seoul. They either had fake degrees or were doing private tutoring on an E2 visa.
I wonder how they could find out they had fake degrees in the last 4 days since that SBS report was broadcast?  |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I was requred to to illegals by my employer, I got busted and am paying a 1 million fine. |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
Location: pusan baby!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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The crack down in Busan is true.Immigration are on a full campaign down here and I know of several teachers who have been caught.Immigration is also visiting recruiters offices and warning them about advertising part time jobs.
In busan immigration usually do a sweep once a year anyway but this time it is definitely more serious. |
Just curious, but of the teachers that you know personally that have been caught, were they of the private tutor-type or were they cracking down on schools who were employing illegals?
As for the Busan recruiter thing, it's either the usual 'I heard from a friend, who heard from, blah/blah', or then the recruiters must have some big brass balls, as I know two Busan recruiters that peddle privates and they are still running ads, just as much as they ever did. You can check out the Busan Koreabridge FT/PT ads for proof of that.
And even if this was something more than just the product of chinese whispers in the teacher community down there, it certainly is not happening in Seoul, based on the way the PT gigs are being cranked out over at WorknPlay.
Sorry to be a partypooper, but I guess that I just need to hear a lot more than the average 'I heard about this' 2nd hand grapevine stuff, to counter some of the simple truths that we are seeing elsewhere that still show a continuing trend of the status quo. |
Guy I saw last week was working part time in a hogwan when immigration came in.They were considering their action and told him at first he would be deported.Then they told him he would just have to pay a fine.Then they came back to him and said he would have to pay a fine of 3m and would be deported as well in three days...he left the next day for Taiwan.As far as I know he got out of Korea ok.I thought he would have trouble leaving but I guess immigration were keeping him off the computer so that they could pocket the fine. |
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Gollum
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Guy I saw last week was working part time in a hogwan when immigration came in.They were considering their action and told him at first he would be deported.Then they told him he would just have to pay a fine.Then they came back to him and said he would have to pay a fine of 3m and would be deported as well in three days...he left the next day for Taiwan.As far as I know he got out of Korea ok.I thought he would have trouble leaving but I guess immigration were keeping him off the computer so that they could pocket the fine. |
Not likely.
They take your passport when you're busted. Otherwise, you'll just leave. If they pocket the fine and let you keep your passport, you're likely to stay.
And do you think the guy just coughed up 3 million won on the spot? Doubtful.
They likely took his passport, had their "mini-trial" a few days later, and he was given an exit order and left.
By the way, everyone doing illegal work should know this: The fine is based on how long you've been working for the place. If I were working illegally, and I'm not, I'd make sure my boss and I had pre-planned that I'd been working there just two days. Then, your fine will be 500,000 won. Otherwise it will be high, like 3 million. My owner lied when she got busted, and it saved her big money. |
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