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trigger123
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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 Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: The Soju Rapist that wasn't |
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catching up on the daily news this morning, and in a real reality stylee, (sorry RR, but there are plenty of other stories to link to today...) spotted this this nugget in the chosun ilbo...
shocking judgement to be handed down imho, surely the fact that the woman didn't resist can't be construed as grounds that she consented to sex!? she was unconscious! argh!
geez... i'll let you read it... |
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thorin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Where does it say she was unconscious? |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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This reminds me of a story I posted. Some people were saying that the girl I slept with was unconscious even though I wrote nothing of the sort.
Here is what the newstory says.
| ChosonIlbo wrote: |
| Witnesses testified that Kim��s sister-in-law often acted normal even when in a state of complete inebriation. |
That is far from 'unconscious'. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't say that she was unconscious. Just heavily drunk.
How about that voyeur boyfriend of hers watching and taking in the festivities? |
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shakuhachi
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
which story? you mean the one you wrote about having sex with the unconcious girl? yeah, that was awesome.
billybrobby - the 12+ club |
Did you actually read the story? Or do you take cheap shots at people without even knowing what I actually wrote? |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| you said that maybe she was conscious, maybe she wasn't, but it didn't matter either way. I'm paraphrasing, but that is what you wrote. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Swiss James wrote: |
| you said that maybe she was conscious, maybe she wasn't, but it didn't matter either way. I'm paraphrasing, but that is what you wrote. |
It was '...Sora seemed half there and half not...', which set the blood hounds foaming at the mouth. I assure you that she was not unconscious. The blood hounds also use double think to ignore the following paragraph '...Ready to leave, sora escorted me to the ground floor of the building. I asked if she really couldn't remember anything. "of course I remember", she said, kissing me on the cheek'.
You also have to remember that her friends were right there. Its not as if I could have done anything wrong. |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
| Swiss James wrote: |
| you said that maybe she was conscious, maybe she wasn't, but it didn't matter either way. I'm paraphrasing, but that is what you wrote. |
It was '...Sora seemed half there and half not...', which set the blood hounds foaming at the mouth. I assure you that she was not unconscious. The blood hounds also use double think to ignore the following paragraph '...Ready to leave, sora escorted me to the ground floor of the building. I asked if she really couldn't remember anything. "of course I remember", she said, kissing me on the cheek'.
You also have to remember that her friends were right there. Its not as if I could have done anything wrong. |
What did you write immediately following
"Sora seemed half there and half not"? |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Swiss James wrote: |
What did you write immediately following
"Sora seemed half there and half not"? |
The immediate following will get this thread deleted for the same reason it was deleted in the first place. I dont see why I should go over this again with you. The girl wasnt unconscious. She gave consent. That particular time was the second time I had sex with her that day. The next day she remembered and was pleased with it. What more do you want? |
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Swiss James
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
| What more do you want? |
I didn't bring it up and would actually be happy not to mention it again.
*offers handshake* |
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shakuhachi
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Swiss James wrote: |
I didn't bring it up and would actually be happy not to mention it again.
*offers handshake* |
I accept the handshake. I would also like to remind you that story is not the one in my signature. It is the second part in the Korea Story epic - it is called 'Porn Star'.
If anyone really wants to know what the fuss is all about (and inspired what was probably the longest thread ever on daves - 49 pages before it was deleted) send me a PM and ill make sure you get the story. *Caution* These two stories are a tale of a young man in East Asia having fun - if you cant handle that, then its better not to read it. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
'...Ready to leave, sora escorted me to the ground floor of the building. I asked if she really couldn't remember anything. "of course I remember", she said, kissing me on the cheek'.
You also have to remember that her friends were right there. Its not as if I could have done anything wrong. |
a) You didn't ask her what she remembered. I didn't ignore this paragraph, but it sounds to me as if she was saving face.
b) "It's not as if I could have done anything wrong?" Can you explain the logic behind this? It sounds like you're saying that her friends wouldn't have let you do anything wrong, which is probably not the case, given that drunken people watching each other have sex do occasionally cross moral boundaries. |
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trigger123
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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shakuhachi wrote:
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| These two stories are a tale of a young man in East Asia having fun - if you cant handle that, then its better not to read it. |
errrrr, anyway.....
it wasn't my intention when posting to dredge all that up again.
and yes, it doesn't actually say unconscious, but when i read 'incapacitated by drink' i think thats mighty close to, if not the same as, 'unconscious'.
anyway, thats not the point. the judgement appears to rest on the fact that because she didn't resist, she consented. this is not the same thing. if i am capacitated, unable to react, then my mate can say 'do you mind if i take your car? have all your money? burn your house down?' i can't consent because i'm incapacitated, but because i don't resist his wishes its ok for him to do so?
non-consensual sex is rape. and i can't believe that the judge can't see that and that i'm having this same dave's conversation again... |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| trigger123 wrote: |
errrrr, anyway.....
it wasn't my intention when posting to dredge all that up again.
and yes, it doesn't actually say unconscious, but when i read 'incapacitated by drink' i think thats mighty close to, if not the same as, 'unconscious'.
anyway, thats not the point. the judgement appears to rest on the fact that because she didn't resist, she consented. this is not the same thing. if i am capacitated, unable to react, then my mate can say 'do you mind if i take your car? have all your money? burn your house down?' i can't consent because i'm incapacitated, but because i don't resist his wishes its ok for him to do so?
non-consensual sex is rape. and i can't believe that the judge can't see that and that i'm having this same dave's conversation again... |
But it also says she acts completely normally when she is drunk. How is someone to determine consent when they seem completely normal? does any amount of alcohol drinking mean that a woman cannot give consent? What about a man? |
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squat toilet
Joined: 08 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Do y'all think maybe..just maybe...that the key to this little mystery rests here:
"The next day, the sister learned from her irate boyfriend that he witnessed her having sex with Kim in the living room the night before"
Do ya think she would have pressed charges if the boyfriend hadn't seen it? Seems like a pretty damn convenient excuse. |
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