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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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 Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject: Another neocon, conservative warmonger sees the light. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity |
I don't think those guys are neo cons and they wouldn't consider themselves to be either. If the guy can't get that little bit right why should we take the rest of what he says seriously? |
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tommynomad
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Location: on the move
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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| Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity |
I don't think those guys are neo cons and they wouldn't consider themselves to be either. If the guy can't get that little bit right why should we take the rest of what he says seriously? |
By that argument, if you can be shown to have opinion that's somewhat off the mark, we can ignore every point you've ever made?
Try disproving his arguments, Joo. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 4:15 am Post subject: |
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I do all the time.
but here you select the part of the article and I will refute it. It is now up to you. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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| Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity |
I don't think those guys are neo cons and they wouldn't consider themselves to be either. If the guy can't get that little bit right why should we take the rest of what he says seriously? |
I agree. Rush is not a neo con, nor am I. |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| I agree. Rush is not a neo con, nor am I. |
Another example of the ineptitude of the left's political abilities. When conservatives seek to malign their enemies they do it with much more competence. Consider just how maligned the word "liberal" is these days. It's a term that's become such political poison that they had to come up with another euphemism, "progressive", a term which sucks mightily. Progressives have as much to do with progress as conservatives have to do with conservation.
By contrast, the left has chosen to slander the term "neocon", a label which very few conservatives have ever self-applied. Consequently we have leftists dodging, weaving, and prevaricating to avoid the dread L word while they toss some lame-ass insult like "neocon" at us to no effect.
Advantage, conservatives. |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Just a note...the writer doesn't claim that Rush is a neo-con.
He is saying how as a neo-con he was pulled to the message of the conservative right. Which makes sense at a time when they were gung-ho for the war.
If you guys weren't so busy playing patty-cake with each other you think someone on one side or the other would have picked that up.
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| turtlepi1 wrote: |
If you guys weren't so busy playing patty-cake with each other you think someone on one side or the other would have picked that up.
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Or more likely we came to the conclusion that this was just another boring article that R.S. habitually tosses up in lieu of actual thought.
When conversations go off on a tangent it's usually because the main narrative is banal jackassery. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| turtlepi1 wrote: |
Just a note...the writer doesn't claim that Rush is a neo-con.
He is saying how as a neo-con he was pulled to the message of the conservative right. Which makes sense at a time when they were gung-ho for the war.
If you guys weren't so busy playing patty-cake with each other you think someone on one side or the other would have picked that up.
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I dont' think the writer ever was a neo con, nor did he mention a single neo con that he listened to.
He says he supported Bush in 2000 well that is interesting knowing that most neo cons supported John McCain and some of them even went for Al Gore. There is nothing to believe that the guy was anything more than a classic conservative, and now the guy seems to have gone libertarian.
If he mixes up the terms then it kind of shows he doesn't know what he is talking about. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 4:15 am Post subject: ... |
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Hank,
Let's make a list of all the words you've supposedly made dirty:
Liberalism
Media
Environment
Minorities
Socialism
Europe
Muslims
Homosexual
UN
Geneva Convention
International Court
The Right to Privacy
Evolution
Welfare
Multi-culturalism
Multilateralism
And slap your ass and cry freedom for some of the other vocabulary you've protected:
Torture
Insurance premiums
Torture
"Corporate" welfare
Torture
Deficit spending
Torture
High-caliber sniper rifles
Torture
Firing on protesters
Torture
Uzbekhistan
Torture
Freedom Fries
Torture
Abu Ghraib
Torture
Gitmo
Torture
and Toby Keith, whose talent would be better compared to
Torture. |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 5:59 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Hank,
Let's make a list of all the words you've supposedly made dirty:
Liberalism
Media
Environment
Minorities
Socialism
Europe
Muslims
Homosexual
UN
Geneva Convention
International Court
The Right to Privacy
Evolution
Welfare
Multi-culturalism
Multilateralism
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Yep, all political poison. Much to my delight.
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And slap your ass and cry freedom for some of the other vocabulary you've protected:
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And to that I say, "Neener, neener, neener". Let's see you people get your collective acts together and do something about it. I personally don't see it happening. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 6:24 am Post subject: ... |
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A proud accomplishment sure to go down in history for what it is.
Is it achievements, Hank, or what?
Or just defeat?
Are you seeking one-party rule?
Be careful, you commie. |
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bignate
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 6:24 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Hank,
Let's make a list of all the words you've supposedly made dirty:
Liberalism
Media
Environment
Minorities
Socialism
Europe
Muslims
Homosexual
UN
Geneva Convention
International Court
The Right to Privacy
Evolution
Welfare
Multi-culturalism
Multilateralism
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Yep, all political poison. Much to my delight.
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And slap your ass and cry freedom for some of the other vocabulary you've protected:
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And to that I say, "Neener, neener, neener". Let's see you people get your collective acts together and do something about it. I personally don't see it happening. |
Get thee behind me Satan!  |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 6:32 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| A proud accomplishment sure to go down in history for what it is. |
If you think this is the first time in history that governments, even the US government, has done some lowdown things then you're a fool. In the grand scale of things, the stuff we've done thus far since 9/11 don't even compare to interrogations and war crimes committed by American and Allied troops in WWII, Korea, or Vietnam. And I hate saying this on Memorial Day weekend, but the casualties we've thus far incurred since 9/11 are miniscule compared to all of our previous wars.
The difference between the reaction of the left now and then is that the left in the past had to at least act as though they had a shred of belief in their country. Not so anymore; they let the mask slip. The left is the enemy. I have no other term to describe a class of people who consistently have common cause with the very people we're hostile to and go to great lengths to anklebite us when we're involved in a global conflict. You are the enemy as far as I'm concerned.
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Are you seeking one-party rule?
Be careful, you commie. |
I'd want victory, period. Anything that gets in the way of that victory is a problem for me. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 8:10 am Post subject: ... |
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| The left is the enemy. |
Sorry to be so below-the-belt, Captain America,
but creating legal blackholes for torture isn't exactly kosher with our principles.
But fly the flag high.
Sweet Liberty. |
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