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Sofa_King



Joined: 03 Mar 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:17 pm    Post subject: Recruiters Reply with quote

I'm starting this post to help those who are looking for jobs. Seeing that almost every job involves a recruiter, let's list recruiters that you've had and tell whether or not you would go through them again. Hopefully, this will help the Newbies and also help those that are looking to resign.

I'll start, I've gone through May Kim from Canada. She lied every chance she had. Told me that I'd be living a short walk from the school, when in reality I am a far distance, and this costs me money. Lied on many other important issues, and told me exactly what I wanted to hear. Her goal was to get me to sign up as quickly as possible. I would not recommend her. PM me if you want to here more.

Also, I've heard good things about Footprints. I've never worked with them though.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would be a great topic to sticky...but unfortunately do to the potential loss of revenues I suspect it will be deleted.

I recommend everyone stay away from F-english with a 100 foot pole. The dude's name is Jim Choi and he is a complete liar in almost every form.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could put the information up on the Wiki here and it won't get deleted:

http://korea.wikicities.com/wiki/Recruiters

It's a database more than anything but if you want to add any comments write

==Comments==

and write that below as well. If the recruiter's not on the list just click Edit, follow the format used (it's in alphabetical order) and then there will be a new link to the page.

Comments should be objective though, so "Andrew Kim screwed me" will get taken out whereas "One teacher claims to have not received a full month's salary after being fired" or "Andrew Kim has a post up on (url address here) that claims that teachers must make a separate bank account to be paid directly from the recruiter, which is not right" will be kept the way it is. If you could include their addresses and phone numbers as well that would be useful.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:

Comments should be objective though, so "Andrew Kim screwed me" will get taken out whereas "One teacher claims to have not received a full month's salary after being fired" or "Andrew Kim has a post up on (url address here) that claims that teachers must make a separate bank account to be paid directly from the recruiter, which is not right" will be kept the way it is. If you could include their addresses and phone numbers as well that would be useful.


That's the spirit. Clarity. Smile
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clarity indeed.

Then again, who verifies that these are legitimate complaints and not just baseless slander?

Bad recruiters abound in the market but there are good ones as well. Then there are bad teachers too, how do you screen their complaints from those who truly have been screwed.

Tough proposition.....
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stumptown



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone can Pm me if they've had job offers from "Win Education." I can give you a full report of the way the company operates at your expense without remorse. Mith, I'll post it there tomorrow when I'm a little more sober.
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Sofa_King



Joined: 03 Mar 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree with a slander campaign, but the intention of this post is to help those that are looking for jobs. I thought the whole purpose of this website was to share information. I agree with your comments, Homer, that this post may be a dangerous one in that some individuals may use it improperly. However, as an individual who is looking to sign at a new place in Korea, I feel that an increase in discourse and scrutiny of recruiters would better the quality of recruiters and help those who are good employees and want to work at good Hogwans. I am working in Korea now, and my first experience has been dreadful due to the misleading information I was given by my first recruiter. I would have been happy if someone had at least mentioned the deceptive recruiter that had placed me at my horrible school. I love Korea, I��m enthusiastic about teaching, I��m qualified and I know that there are better schools out there that would want someone like me.

Unfortunately, whenever a post is made where individuals are asked to share their personal opinions, it is met with large opposition. Why is it that whenever someone tries to initiate active discourse, there are immediate calls to discredit the entire post? Here's an idea Homer, rather than being hypocritical of this post, why not contribute. List the name of your recruiter. Tell us if he/she was a good recruiter. At least accept that there should be a discussion on recruiters. This would help the common good of all teachers. And yes....maybe not all teachers are good��but is this post not trying to discredit those teachers. Unfortunately, screening the teachers are the jobs of the schools here, and maybe they need to tighten their screening process (which is something I agree with).

In closing, SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCES!!!! Create communication about your experiences. Please��lets help everyone out and increase communication.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear that you can't go wrong with KORJOB (www.korjob.com), provided you're not a freaky waygook or anything.

Sparkles*_*
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Sofa_King



Joined: 03 Mar 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just looked at the Korjob website...really liked the professional webpage. Keep posting things about your recruiters. Share your information!
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The Man known as The Man



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try koreanesl.com

specifically, the Teacher Forum


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Homer
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try angel recruiting. Mary Kim is a good person and a responsible recruiter.

That is as long as you are professional and reasonable in your demands.
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winnie



Joined: 08 May 2005
Location: the forest

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best recruiter: Canadian Connection


www.canconx.com
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Try angel recruiting. Mary Kim is a good person and a responsible recruiter.

That is as long as you are professional and reasonable in your demands.


Are we talking the same Mary Kim based in Cheong Ju? I worked with her, and was placed at a rather dodgy school about a year and a half ago..
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Dispatched



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a fair assumption that most recruiters have never been to the hogwon they are trying to find a teacher for?

If that is so then the only information they can tell you is what the academy has told them. ie if the academy says you live close, then how is it the recruiters fault if the school was wrong, defined 'close' somewhat differently, or outright lied? Of course if the school gave them the correct info and the recruiter changed it trying to make the place look more appealing then the recruiter should be black listed.

Instead of blacklisting recruiters why not just point out the reputable ones?
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plattwaz



Joined: 08 Apr 2005
Location: <Write something dumb here>

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Min Kim, also goes by the name Maxx -- Maxx Esl Hotline is the name of his recruiting agency.

FANTASTIC recruiter....will only offer you jobs that match the requests you made, (ie/location, student ages, etc). Worked to negotiate with school owner and got me MORE than what I asked for (salary, bennies, etc). Looked into school and made sure all was well, acted very professionally with both school director and myself, has kept in touch with both of us to make sure we are both happy, and generally is an all-around really nice guy. He's Korean-American/Canadian (not sure which) and speaks fluent English and Korean, so there are no mis-communication issues with him on either side.

Honestly, I fully recommend working with him if you see any positions that he advertises that you are interested in.
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