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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
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| Going to ignore what I just wrote? Bush's initial reaction was that he didn't need the help. Now that he's realized what a disaster it is more nations are lining up. |
Uh, i didn't think it was particularly controversial. It sounds like it might have happened that way. Condi is a smart woman, I hope Jeb makes her VP next term. |
Yep, that woman has a heart of gold:
This happened on September 1st, Thursday
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Breaking: Condi Rice Spends Salary on Shoes
According to Drudge, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has recently enjoyed a little Broadway entertainment. And Page Six reports that she��s also working on her backhand with Monica Seles. So the Gulf Coast has gone all Mad Max, women are being raped in the Superdome, and Rice is enjoying a brief vacation in New York. We wish we were surprised.
What does surprise us: Just moments ago at the Ferragamo on 5th Avenue, Condoleeza Rice was seen spending several thousands of dollars on some nice, new shoes (we��ve confirmed this, so her new heels will surely get coverage from the WaPo��s Robin Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable to fathom the absurdity of Rice��s timing, went up to the Secretary and reportedly shouted, ��How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!�� Never one to have her fashion choices questioned, Rice had security PHYSICALLY REMOVE the woman.
http://www.gawker.com/news/condoleezza-rice/breaking-condi-rice-spends-salary-on-shoes-123467.php |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| But have you reviewed nineteenth-century imperial British history? I don't know...start with Lord Canning and the Latin American independence movements and stop at Gandhi and India, or perhaps Mossadeq, the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, and Iran. Have you ever heard about people, and rocks, and glass houses, etc.? |
Oh, you edited it whilst I was replying.
If I were you, I'd certainly not have left out Palestine. 
I can keep going with your list - Amritsar, the Mau Mau uprising, slavery in the WI, the Simla manifesto, and the event that really convinced the British that the age of Empire was over for good - the Suez crisis.
But that was a very different age. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:40 am Post subject: |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Except for the disclaimer, it's a great post. (We both apparently forgot the Boer War, too.)
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To be clear - the disclaimer was 50% my thinking that the world was somewhat less interdependent then than it is now, and 50% the fact that Britain is no longer in a position to do that kind of thing - unless it's riding on the US's coattails (or perhaps soon, as part of some EU force).
Yeah, damn those Dutch |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| The Red Cross has a long history of thieving and stealing cash donations intended for disaster relief... Families of September 11th victims were prevented from receiving half of the donations sent by well meaning citizens to the Red Cross for their aid. |
I remember that CNN campaign. I'm not surprized that "igotthisguitar" fell for it.
That was the week I decided never again to trust an American journalist. People gave money to the Red Cross by the millions in the days following September 11. Presumably they intended it to further the Red Cross's mission, which is emergency services and disaster preparedness. Then CNN started running with the message "CNN stealing money from victims' families!" and repeated it for the entire week. They claimed that the people who donated intended their money to be given to the families of victims (as gifts? prizes?) and that the sneaky Red Cross was embezzling the money for it's own (sinister?) purposes.
CNN's actions made me sick. But what made me sicker was, by the end of the week gullible Americans by the millions were calling the Red Cross and demanding their money back. In the wake of the biggest national disaster in memory, our journalistic establishment willfully and successfully perpetrated a massive sabotage on the American Red Cross, just to boost its ratings. Un Be Lievable. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:55 am Post subject: |
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All that being said, Hypnotist, it will be a serious mistake for Bush not to accept Castro's doctors and then try to build on that to deescalate tensions between Washington and Havana (invite Castro to D.C., make a show of thanking him, etc.)...I have no illusions, however, that his Administration would be open to this line, so that's probably that.
It would do a lot to improve U.S.-Latin American relations, however, and, at the same time, deprive Chavez's sails of wind...ultimately, Castro has always wanted to be recognized and respected by Washington as a peer. If they did that, it would surely soften his defiant attitude... |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:59 am Post subject: |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Indeed. And I wonder how much worse US-Cuba relations would get if Jeb won the White House in however many years it is.
I'm surprised you've not commented on the country that is for me the most surprising omission from your lists: Brazil... (oops, let's stick to English |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| hypnotist wrote: |
| I'm surprised you've not commented on the country that is for me the most surprising omission from your lists: Brazil... |
If it's aid you're asking about: I find it surprising, to say the least. They're a staunch ally, always have been. Asprire to dominate their continent politically and want to sit on the Security Council as a permanent member. So they want to be leaders; and leaders should play leading roles in crises like these...
Disorganized at the moment? (They're dealing with some serious corruption issues, last I heard.)
If it's U.S. "interference": there was a military coup in '64. If it's British "interference": see the independence movement and the British evacuation of the Portuguese royal family from Lisbon to Salvador...
Besides that, like I said, a pretty staunch ally. Brazil gave us (that would be both of us: your govt and mine) airfields to supply forces in North Africa and actually sent troops and fought with us in the Italian campaigns. An early declaration of war against the Nazis, too, if memory serves.
Total contrast in this respect to Argentina and Chile, who were pro-Nazi to the very last days of the war...see the Soviet "interference": Soviet paramilitary ops in Buenos Aires harbor, blowing up Argentine war shipping meant for Nazi ports.
Talking about "interference": can't forget about Brazilian covert op against Suriname or Guyana in 1980s (influencing a democratic election). Woodward references it in Veil.
Like I said: no one is holier-than-thou in the world (except apparently Canada, of course). |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| It was aid I was asking about, for the reasons you mentioned. I guess the corruption crisis in the PT must really have their attention. Wish I could read Portugese to check their media. |
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