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forgesteel · Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Location: Earth

Isn't an atheist just as wildly dogmatic and speculative as a theist in his assertions regarding things that are essentially unknowable? If not, why do you think so?

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Manner of Speaking · Joined: 09 Jan 2003

Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

Atheists believe there is no God, because they can't see him. (Just like the wind). Non Atheists believe there is a God because they can feel him. (Just like the wind).

If neither side forces the other to accept their view, why argue about it. Let the Atheists live without criticism, Let the Non Atheists live without criticism.

For Everyone, why does God have to prove his existance to you? What have you done to make him need too?

fiveeagles · Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver

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Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

We are only "brothers and sisters" because God is the seed-bearing Father of us all (and material nature is the "mother" impregnated by the glance of God...) If God does not exist (in the minds of atheists) the concept of "brotherhood" gets done in by "might makes right"...

forgesteel · Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Location: Earth

Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

If there are no sides, why the differences?

I made changes to the original.

igotthisguitar · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:40 am Post subject:

HERE:

http://www.militantplatypus.com/blog/dear-god/ Wink

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Krishna appearing as His own devotee to spread the chanting of Hare Krishna all over India, presented the philosophy that we are simultaneously one and different from God. We are one in quality, like a drop of sea water is the same quality as the ocean, but are different quantitatively - as the ocean is much greater than a single drop of water. All living entities are also spiritually the same, but we are materially different in so many ways. As far as philosophers go, every philosopher has to have his or her own speculative take on the big picture in order to become distinguished. The Absolute Truth is too inconceivably great to be understood by a speculative process. Only by mercifully revealing Himself to nonenvious pure souls - since the beginning of creation - can we understand something about God.

For those who may object to refer to God as "He" instead of "She" or "It" God is "Male" in the sense of being the seed-bearing Father of all living beings (impregnating material nature with his glance) and also in the sense of being the supreme enjoyer of all loving relationships with His innumerable separated parts-and-parcels (our spiritual identities were created to give pleasure to God - in that sense we are all female...) Actually, sometimes God (or Vishnu) incarnates as a woman (Mohini murti) and sometimes as an animal (like Hayagriva, the horse incarnation...)

The impersonal sound representation of the Absolute Truth is the transcendental sound "aum" (which is also contained within the personal name "Rama"... Impersonalists think that the formless spiritual light or "Brahman" is the highest realization. Mystic yogis think that visualizing the supersoul (paramatma) localized feature of God within the heart is the highest realization. And devotees of God (or bhaktas) realize that the highest realization of the Absolute Truth is the Supreme Personality of Godhead - Krishna (or Bhagavan) ...

The following painting depicts Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Brahma and Shiva are the most powerful demigods, in charge of material creation and destruction, respectively. And Vishnu is an expansion of God acting as the maintainer of all living entities...

khyber · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction

that looks like pre chateaux Lake Louise.

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

... yes - Canada is truly "God's country" (it's so cold in winter that only God could live there...) Cool

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Eh?...

Manner of Speaking · Joined: 09 Jan 2003

mithridates · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:58 am Post subject:

I used to frequent alt.atheism all the time so I'm used to this sort of discussion. However, I'm sorry to say but most atheists are not real atheists. Here are some of the types:

1)I don't like Christianity / used to be a Christian type atheists. They're mostly opposed to Christians deciding government policy. That's fine.
2)I really just don't believe in God type atheists. I'll explain that in a bit.
3)Who knows, I'm just certain that no religion can really explain things and none of them can logically be correct because innocent people would be damned by default etc. kind of atheists.

Now, #1 is more defined by being opposed to Christianity or maybe Islam. You'll notice very little concern with buddhism, and that's because they're concerned with societal effects of religion, little more.
#2 type atheists are funny, because they don't believe in something that by definition is beyond the universe itself. That's fine, but to decide not to believe out front in something you haven't defined in the first place, that's just silly. If we're talking about gods with a lower-case g, well that's polytheism and not many people in the west really believe in that anyway.
#3 people are really just agnostic.

In short, atheist usually means 'I don't like Christianity' / 'I choose not to believe in something beyond definition' / 'I'm really agnostic'. IMO all atheists are agnostic, it's just that they choose a bit stronger a position to argue against religion. That's fine. Argue against religion. But to outright believe that something beyond definition should first be measured to be proven? Do I really have to explain how silly that is? Argue against religion itself, not the existence of God.