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[Gopher]

[Gopher]

[Octavius Hite]

You can't justify murder and the destruction of a nation on the idea that others were planning something. Maybe the USSR was making a move, we'll probably never know, but Allende was a democratically elected leader and the US had no right to interfer with that. Again if another country did it to you it would be war so it's very hypocritical to do it to someone else.

[Octavius Hite]

the difference being that the USSR wasn't giving weapons, training, and support to Chileans (that we know of). The US was involved in the murder of the head of the Army thats pretty serious and involved.

[Gopher]

[Gopher]

[Octavius Hite]

See Gopher, ur a typical right winger, was the USSR a bad group of people? Sure, history judges that organization pretty harshly. However you are try to justify. U r saying that the US was right to support mass murder because of a fear of communism. So in that sense the US is no better than the Communists who did the same thing in various countries around the globe.

And here comes the big point so listen up. After 9-11 everyone in the American media and public was like "Why do they hate us so much?" This is why, the US has spent the last 50 years messing with other people's countries (democractic {Chile} and undemocractic {Iran}) for the sake of a political game and you wonder why no one likes you.

Has the US done good things? Yes. Korea, Japan, much of Europe all enjoyed what America gave them. However all that is undone when you messed in countries for your own political purposes. That is the problem. Do Ukrainians and Poles have a serious anti-russian feeling, yes becasue the USSR did the same thing there as you did in Chile, Iran, Vietnam,etc.

Just because the USSR was going to do something or did do something does not give the US the right to ruin peoples lives. That is what we call morality and you can justify all you want but in the end Kissenger is a war criminal along with a whole host of others.

[Gopher]

[Octavius Hite]

From the CIA

"Retired Army General Roberto Viaux was a major coup plotter with support from non-commissioned and junior officers; he also headed several right-wing civilian groups. After CIA was directed to explore prospects for a coup to prevent Allende from taking office, a CIA officer established contact with Viaux on 9 October 1970. A second meeting with Viaux resulted in the Station forwarding a request to Washington from Viaux for weapons, tear gas and other supplies as well as a life insurance policy for himself. In reviewing Viaux��s proposal, CIA Headquarters determined that his group had no chance of carrying off a successful coup. Headquarters advised the Station, and during meetings on 17 18 October a CIA officer told a member of the Viaux group, that CIA would not entertain their request for support. The officer warned them that any coup action on their part would be premature. The Viaux representative said the coup was planned for 21-22 October, and the first step would be to kidnap General Schneider. The Station doubted the plan because CIA had no corroborative intelligence and Viaux��s group had a record of false starts.

On 22 October the Viaux group, acting independently of the CIA at that time, carried out an attempted abduction against General Schneider that resulted in his death. Schneider��s death shocked the armed forces and civilian proponents of a coup, and plans for military action were shelved."

So the CIA was not involved but only because they thought it wouldn't work, not because it was wrong. After the conspirators ended up killing the man, the CIA had to wait almost a year for the coup to go forward. And while these men did not recieve equipment for this task they were being generally supported by the CIA.

[Octavius Hite]

From the CIA:

"All three groups made it clear that any coup would require the kidnapping of Army Commander Rene Schneider, who felt deeply that the Constitution required that the Army allow Allende to assume power. CIA agreed with that assessment. Although CIA provided weapons to one of the groups, we have found no information that the plotters�� or CIA��s intention was for the general to be killed. Contact with one group of plotters was dropped early on because of its extremist tendencies. CIA provided tear gas, submachine-guns and ammunition to the second group. The third group attempted to kidnap Schneider, mortally wounding him in the attack. CIA had previously encouraged this group to launch a coup but withdrew support four days before the attack because, in CIA��s assessment, the group could not carry it out successfully"

[Octavius Hite]

[Octavius Hite]

A quote from Kissenger:

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go Communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people"

The US certainly is the home of freedom, indeed.

[Octavius Hite]

Too much too quote but here's a handy site to prove Kissenger's bloodthirsty nature:


http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB123/

[Octavius Hite]

For a guy that knows it all, the historical record seems to disagree with you. Is it anti-american to tell the truth about the past, or am I just a raving pinko-commie NotAmerican?

[Octavius Hite]

Well, its almost 5pm and its time for me to go and have some beers, have a good weekend all, even those of you with MA's in Latin American Studies.