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thepeel
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Ya-ta Boy
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| This one is a puzzler. It isn't evident why MBC is out to get Hwang, but it seems as if they are. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| This one is a puzzler. It isn't evident why MBC is out to get Hwang, but it seems as if they are. |
Why was SBS out to get ESL teachers? It all goes back to the government. Anything to hang the government with... This is a government that has gone on record that it is anti-press. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Why was SBS out to get ESL teachers? It all goes back to the government. Anything to hang the government with... This is a government that has gone on record that it is anti-press.
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This does not compute.
#1. ESLers are not Koreans. There is a certain logic to a member of the Korean media attacking non-Koreans for preying on Koreans. Hwang is a Korean hero. Nobel Prize material.
#2. Hwang is not a member of the government, and as far as I know, isn't connected to it in any way. Smearing him doesn't affect the governing party. Am I missing something? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Why was SBS out to get ESL teachers? It all goes back to the government. Anything to hang the government with... This is a government that has gone on record that it is anti-press.
This does not compute.
#1. ESLers are not Koreans. There is a certain logic to a member of the Korean media attacking non-Koreans for preying on Koreans. Hwang is a Korean hero. Nobel Prize material.
#2. Hwang is not a member of the government, and as far as I know, isn't connected to it in any way. Smearing him doesn't affect the governing party. Am I missing something?
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As well, Roh Moo-Hyun has gone on record as saying that the reaction against MBC is overblown. Hard to see why he would take their side if MBC's critique of Hwang is a proxy attack on the government. More likely, he would avoid making direct statements, while giving a wink and a nod to the protestors(as during the "schoolgirls" outrage). |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Why was SBS out to get ESL teachers? It all goes back to the government. Anything to hang the government with... This is a government that has gone on record that it is anti-press.
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This does not compute.
#1. ESLers are not Koreans. There is a certain logic to a member of the Korean media attacking non-Koreans for preying on Koreans. Hwang is a Korean hero. Nobel Prize material.
#2. Hwang is not a member of the government, and as far as I know, isn't connected to it in any way. Smearing him doesn't affect the governing party. Am I missing something? |
The government sets education policy. The government is behind the stem cell center. Problems with both can be laid at the feet of the government. The media, which doesn't have a great relationship with the current government, wouldn't pass up a chance to lay these problems, ultimately, at the feet of the government. The stem cell center was a huge photo op for Roh. Now it's so much egg on his face. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| wouldn't pass up a chance to lay these problems, ultimately, at the feet of the government. |
Methinks you have been listening to Rush Limbaugh too much. |
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Paji eh Wong
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Yeah, who do you trust? MBC or the journal Science? Let me think carefully about this.
As far as SBS vs English teachers, I always assumed that the attacks originated from the government as part of their program to curb private education spending. |
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Octavius Hite
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Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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The mystery deepens:
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200512/200512010015.html
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Key Stem Cell Researcher Vanishes
Prof. Ahn Cu-rie, a close collaborator of stem cell pioneer Hwang Woo-suk, leaves Incheon International Airport for the U.S. on Thursday afternoon.
Stem Cell Hub to Get Emergency Management Team
Support for Cloning Pioneer Still Growing
Egg Cell Scandal Shows Need For Clear Rules
MBC Team Charges Stem Cell Research ��a Sham��
Roh Tries to Calm Outcry Over MBC Report
MBC to Air Follow-Up Expose of Stem Cell Pioneer
Bad Marks All Round in Hwang Scandal
Stem Cell Hub's Collaboration Hopes Fade
Hwang Collaborator Demanded Share in Stem Cell Patent
With one of the core members of Seoul National University professor Hwang Woo-suk's research team stationed at the University of Pittsburgh disappearing, emergency alert has been initiated because of fears of a possible leak of stem cell technology.
With this alert, key members of Hwang's team have abruptly left for the University of Pittsburgh, adding yet another level of tension to the saga.
"For the last two weeks we have been unable to contact Park Eul-soon, one of the members of the team that was stationed at the University of Pittsburgh to work�� with Hwang��s erstwhile collaborator Gerald Schatten there, an insider with the SNU team said. ��The whole atmosphere coming from the U.S. team is strange.�� Schatten last month publicly severed ties with Hwang over ethical flaws in the team��s procurement of human egg cells.
Park was originally supposed to return to Korea on Nov. 17 ��but for some reason gave the impression that she intended to remain in the U.S.," the insider said. "We are looking into the situation.�� On the same day, SNU Prof. Ahn Cu-rie and Prof. Yoon Hyun-soo from Hanyang University caught a Korean Air flight to Chicago. The two professors are scheduled to fly on to Pittsburgh on Friday.
Park is a researcher who holds knowledge of key techniques for the removal of an egg cell��s nucleus and transferring the nucleus of somatic cell into the egg cell. The researcher made a key contribution to the extraction of a stem cell line from the world's first cloned human embryo, the subject of a Hwang article in Science. The researcher was then dispatched to collaborate with Prof. Schatten's research team at the University of Pittsburgh. Park also played a crucial role in generating cloned monkey embryos.
But it was the fact that Park donated her own ova for the 2003 project that was at the heart of the current scandal that led to Hwang��s resignation from all official posts.
If the researcher wants to stay in a U.S. university to collaborate with the local team instead of returning to Korea, there is likely to be concern over the possible leak of key technical knowledge.
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rok_the-boat
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| How can scholars in a university leak knowledge? Are they not supposed to PUBLISH it? |
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