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Green Party not invited to the leaders' debates, again
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Free World



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
I was also most impressed that this famed personage took time out to sign the petition:

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Darth Vader
Death Star, AB


Does shit like that hurt the petition��s legitimacy?
I have noticed a lot of anonymous signatures. Does anyone know this guy?
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forest sherwood
Okatoks, AB


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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they can do a check afterward and if it's within 10% a petition is considered legit. I think it was 10%. Assuming they know what they're doing they would check ips and make sure that no-one was submitting from the same one over and over again, and that no obviously fake names were in there.

Internet petitions though are more useful as rallying points for a movement than the petition itself, because they're easy enough to just ignore. This petition also does send an automatic email to the government too if you request it, and gives other contact numbers to follow up with which is a good idea.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
I was also most impressed that this famed personage took time out to sign the petition:

Quote:
Darth Vader
Death Star, AB


And that's what the rest of us think about the Green Party...
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:
mithridates wrote:
I was also most impressed that this famed personage took time out to sign the petition:

Quote:
Darth Vader
Death Star, AB


And that's what the rest of us think about the Green Party...


Er...
The rest of you think most impressed about the Green Party?
The rest of you think 'sign the petition' when you think about the Green Party?
The rest of you think 'famous personage' when you think about the Green Party?
The rest of you think 'Darth Vader' when you think about the Green Party?
The rest of you think 'Death Star' when you think about the Green Party?

The only one that makes any sense would be 'sign the petition'. I hope you don't mean Death Star.

5th place party on verge of maybe getting a seat = Death Star
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The King of Kwangju



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What gets me is that no good reason has been given to excluded them. And this is coming from someone who works at one of the "media outlets" they are railing about.

They are right - the decision is made by 5 guys in a locked room. I'm surprised more people aren't angry about this. Let's face it: TV is the most important tool in this or any other election, and there is no good reason to lock the Green party out of it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, and I think one of the five was a former Tory party member as well.
I've been looking at the numbers (as always) recently and now it's up to 24228, so there'll definitely be over 25000 before the first debate. Everything I've seen in the media also agrees that they should be there.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:


Er...
The rest of you think most impressed about the Green Party?
The rest of you think 'sign the petition' when you think about the Green Party?
The rest of you think 'famous personage' when you think about the Green Party?
The rest of you think 'Darth Vader' when you think about the Green Party?
The rest of you think 'Death Star' when you think about the Green Party?

The only one that makes any sense would be 'sign the petition'. I hope you don't mean Death Star.

5th place party on verge of maybe getting a seat = Death Star


Someone signs the petition as "Darth Vader" = A JOKE.

The rest of us think the Green Party is A JOKE

Idiot (sorry, you're usually not an idiot. But in this case it works)
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming you're a Canadian, your tax dollars are paying for this party.

Also, assuming you're literate you'll have also read above that petitions are often more effective in rallying people and getting them to write letters and contact MPs and others directly rather than the mere number of signatures.

Lastly, signing a fake name on a petition invalidates a petition on the same level that people like you posting nonsense invalidates the point of a thread. IOW, not a bit. I believe petitions are supposed to be verifiable at a rate of at least 90% which means we could potentially have 2000 Darth Vaders and still be okay.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're just not getting it, are ya?

Petitions are fine, wonderful. Helps the left wingers feel special. They're just as useful as those anti WTO protests that inspire so much change Rolling Eyes

I have no problem with your petition.

I am merely mentioning that someone has signed this as "Darth Vader", trying to be funny. Making a joke out of it. Lame joke yes, but nonetheless a joke.

And that is how a majority of Canadians view the Green Party: as a joke.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:
You're just not getting it, are ya?

Petitions are fine, wonderful. Helps the left wingers feel special. They're just as useful as those anti WTO protests that inspire so much change Rolling Eyes


1)The Green Party isn't particularly left or right (a bit of both),
2)Bill C-24 was put into force by all parties except the Bloc. That's what should be held as the standard for who gets on the debates. What you don't realize is that there is no clear standard for who gets to appear, and also that
3)The only time I ever voted was for the Reform Party, so there goes your babble about the left wing. I wanted to see Preston Manning as Prime Minister.

Here's who disagrees with you on the debates BTW:

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Senators Mira Spivak, Shirley Maheu and Nancy Ruth; former chairs of the CRTC Keith Spicer and John Meisel; journalists and authors such as Mel Hurtig and Peter Trueman; former politicians Lloyd Axworthy, John Sewell, Joe Jordan, and Preston Manning; and social and community activists David Suzuki, the Very Reverend Lois Wilson, Elizabeth May, John Williamson, Wayne Smith, Michael de Pencier, Rudyard Griffiths, and Mark Tewksbury.


Newbie wrote:

I have no problem with your petition.

I am merely mentioning that someone has signed this as "Darth Vader", trying to be funny. Making a joke out of it. Lame joke yes, but nonetheless a joke.

And that is how a majority of Canadians view the Green Party: as a joke.


1)Not my petition (the one I started and gave up on after a day doesn't count)
2)I don't care if you view the Green Party as a joke. What you don't get is that the petition is *not* "let's support the Green Party", it's "let's have a clear standard on how a party gets a seat on the debates. Get it? If not I might be able to whip up a few finger puppets and a singalong jingle to explain it a bit better to you, but I sincerely hope I don't need to do that.
3)For all I know 'Darth Vader' was you, or just about anyone else. If one joke signature invalidated a petition then anyone could derail one in a matter of seconds.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, you win. I'll just shut up now

But can I still see that finger puppet show?
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:
Okay, you win. I'll just shut up now

But can I still see that finger puppet show?


Glad to. Better than just your average finger puppet, actually.

(ahem)



"Hellow! I have a song for you boys and girls about why Bill C-24 should be the standard for inviting a party to the debates during a federal election!"

Kids: WTF?! Confused
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Octavius Hite



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:

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They're just as useful as those anti WTO protests that inspire so much change


You're kidding right? Those WTO protests are one of the left's greatest victories. Read a newspaper or the Economist man.
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