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[The Cosmic Hum]

Well, that is one of the things that makes this issue so complexing.
Where are the defenders?
If this science is real...then the proponents of this stand to be compensated immeasurably.
So, why the bail out...really...Schatten and the others...what are they saying...or rather...what are they not saying and why?
Has the whole unethical breach become a non issue in light of recent events...now, the whole situation seems rather sordid.
If he is telling the truth...he will rocket to international superstardom.
If he is lying...ouch...how far can he run and hide in the next 10 days?
Either way...he seems to be in this on his own...and that is what is intriguing...why? (I hope the answer is not as obvious as it seems)

[Ya-ta Boy]

[Hollywoodaction]

[Hollywoodaction]

[Ya-ta Boy]

[rok_the-boat]

Maybe he needs that 10 days to process a visa application ...

[The evil penguin]

[Real Reality]

Hwang Faces Another Fabrication Charge
2004 Research Paper Also Said to Be Fake
By Kim Tae-gyu, Korea Times (December 19, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/tech/200512/kt2005121916411411780.htm

[rok_the-boat]

Crikey - who could have believed it could get even worse?

Which bridge do you reckon?

[JeJuJitsu]

Hehe...next week it will be revealed that he's not even a doctor, and as recently as 3 years ago ran a Norabang in Itawon...

[Ya-ta Boy]

This short report summarizes all the new allegations. Even Snuppy and the cow may be fakes. From today's Chosun Ilbo:

Hwang Achievements Succumb to Domino Effect

More of the ground-breaking achievements of embattled cloning pioneer Hwang Woo-suk have come under suspicion after the scientist admitted fabricating data for a groundbreaking paper on stem cell research published in Science in May this year.

The Biological Research Information Center of Korea (BRIC) argues on its websites that a photograph of stem cells accompanying a 2004 paper by Hwang is identical to one illustrating an article on stem cell cultivation from fertilized embryos written by Kim Sun-jong and MizMedi Hospital research staff, which was published in Stemcells magazine in November 2004.

Kim is a former member of Hwang��s stem cell research team, and the head of MizMedi Hospital is a former collaborator whose name appeared right next to Hwang��s on the May 2005 paper. BRIC claims Hwang took a picture of the same stem cell from a different angle. Hwang��s 2004 paper serves as the basis for the Science article on patient-specific stem cells.

BRIC scientists also point out problems with DNA fingerprints and the timing of stem cell cultivation, quoting Hwang as saying on June 7, 2004 that only two cell clusters survived an unexpected blackout in his lab in the fall of 2003, although he posted the 2004 paper in December 2003.

That was not enough time to cultivate stem cells from the two remaining clusters, the scientists say, since stem cells take at least three months to cultivate. The overseas press has also raised suspicions about the DNA fingerprints in the 2004 paper.

Doubts are also spreading to what is ostensibly the world��s first cloned dog Snuppy. Japan��s Yomiuri Shimbun on Monday quoted geneticist Robert Lanza as saying he had proof of scientific errors in Hwang��s paper on the cloning of the dog. Lanza proposed comparing the original dog with the clone to confirm Hwang��s claim.

Lanza is one of eight international scientists who recently wrote to Science urging Hwang to help verify research results. A professional rival, he works with bioengineering company Advanced Cell Technology. A BRIC member said there were no DNA fingerprints in Hwang��s paper showing that the original and cloned dogs were genetically identical.

The avalanche unleashed by Hwang��s admission on Friday also threatens to sweep away the cow Youngrongi, which Hwang claims to have cloned. Scientists now point out that the cow is said to have been healthy and given birth to a calf since it was born in 1999. But cloned animals are weaker than ordinary ones, and most are short-lived and lack the ability to reproduce, they said. Hwang published no paper on Youngrongi.

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If some of these allegations prove true it will lend credence to the new theory that the mastery of chopsticks as a child develops the part of the brain that governs compulsive lying.

[Hollywoodaction]

Well, apparently some members of the Korean government have come out saying results were falsified and that participated in the cover up. Some are even have doubts about his past experiences. The cow he claims to have cloned shows no symptoms that are usually present in animals that have been cloned. Some suspect he simply split the embryo, thus creating twins. I'd guess one half of the embryo could have been frozen to be 'cloned' once the other twin has become an adult.


http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?menu=A11100&no=264544&rel_no=1&back_url=

[VanIslander]

As a Canadian I can relate to the feelings of the Koreans I know who are shook up about this.

He is Korea's Ben Johnson !

It shakes the national psyche.

[Ryst Helmut]

[Hollywoodaction]

Other members of his team are also being "investigated". Apparently, someone found that pictures of supposedly cloned cells in one of their papers are identical to pictures that were published by other researchers. There are suspicions about pictures in other articles written by his team members.