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Iraqis March, Say Elections Were Rigged
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
igotthisguitar wrote:
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
And in the case of Robert Fisk , the truth is that he doesn't want to believe what the US says


Joo ... you're always going on about the US this & the US that.

What EXACTLY do you mean when you use this vague little label: the US? Please explain.


Joo ol' chap. Did you catch this? Could you clear this up? What exactly do you mean when you say "the" US?



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I'd like to believe that what the Americans say is true, but living here I don't believe it is".

Robert Fisk


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I'd like to believe that what the US says is true, but living here I don't believe it is".
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not what Fisk means love, but what YOU mean.

"THE" US ???
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You tell us what Fisk meant.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
You tell us what Fisk meant.

So why are avoiding the question? Trying to change the topic? Shift the focus? I've already asked you three times. If you don't want to provide a simple & direct answer that's your decision.

Unfortunately, in forfeiting your right to provide an autonomous response, we'll be left only to decide for ourselves why it is you once again insist on ... beating around the bush.

Happy New Year !!!
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
You tell us what Fisk meant.

So why are avoiding the question? Trying to change the topic? Shift the focus? I've already asked you three times. If you don't want to provide a simple & direct answer that's your decision.

Unfortunately, in forfeiting your right to provide an autonomous response, we'll be left only to decide for ourselves why it is you once again insist on ... beating around the bush.

Happy New Year !!!


It was a response to what he said. Whatever he meant by it , that is what I meant by it.

Now what did he mean by it? It was your quote U answer.
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patchy



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US has a nasty habit of pitting people against one another, brother against brother for a made-up ideological reason that only the US benefits from -- this is what happened in Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq.

And then they wonder why the Iraqis won't take up arms enthusiastically and do the dirty work for the Americans.

Bush certainly miscalculated from the first. He thought he could start the war on Thursday and finish it on Sunday. Hence the name, "Shock and Awe". He thought all the lies he drummed up to justify the war would be forgiven or at the least overlooked when the Americans saw how quickly the war ended. Only it hasn't, and now Bush is squirming as people are asking questions, trying to find out why the war is still going on and why the bodybags are coming back in the thousands and not in the single digits.

And so Bush dissembles, to keep face, all the while as people are still dying: Iraqi (goodness knows how many, the racist Americans don't keep track of Iraqi casualties, they obviously don't count as human to make it worth their while doing that) and American. They are dying so that Bush can keep up the pretense that the war had to happen. But some people never bought it. They never felt in their bones that the US was under threat from Iraq. Where was the draft then? Where was the urgent patriotic call for all US men and women to come to the aid of their country and defend it - if the country was under such grave threat? No, only the poor from disenfranchised minorities, (even illegal immigrants) were sent out as only the lowliest of the low need risk their lives in this sham of a war.
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shakuhachi



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

patchy wrote:
The US has a nasty habit of pitting people against one another, brother against brother for a made-up ideological reason that only the US benefits from -- this is what happened in Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq.

And then they wonder why the Iraqis won't take up arms enthusiastically and do the dirty work for the Americans.

Bush certainly miscalculated from the first. He thought he could start the war on Thursday and finish it on Sunday. Hence the name, "Shock and Awe". He thought all the lies he drummed up to justify the war would be forgiven or at the least overlooked when the Americans saw how quickly the war ended. Only it hasn't, and now Bush is squirming as people are asking questions, trying to find out why the war is still going on and why the bodybags are coming back in the thousands and not in the single digits.

And so Bush dissembles, to keep face, all the while as people are still dying: Iraqi (goodness knows how many, the racist Americans don't keep track of Iraqi casualties, they obviously don't count as human to make it worth their while doing that) and American. They are dying so that Bush can keep up the pretense that the war had to happen. But some people never bought it. They never felt in their bones that the US was under threat from Iraq. Where was the draft then? Where was the urgent patriotic call for all US men and women to come to the aid of their country and defend it - if the country was under such grave threat? No, only the poor from disenfranchised minorities, (even illegal immigrants) were sent out as only the lowliest of the low need risk their lives in this sham of a war.


Amazing. I just found out that I can be against the intervention in Iraq and also be disgusted at your anti Americanism at the same time.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

afraid it isn't the first time that's happened to me on this board shakuhachi.
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rapier



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its too obvious Iraq would vote along ethnic lines, with minorities feeling left out.

What was needed for long term peace was to subdivide the country into separate states that could go their own separate ways.

Totally obvious..but apparently impossible.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for once i agree with you rapier.
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BigBlackEquus



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They would just war on each other for the whole pie.

Everyone would claim control over this and that religious shrine, etc. It would not work.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The US has a nasty habit of pitting people against one another, brother against brother for a made-up ideological reason that only the US benefits from -- this is what happened in Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq.


You must think that Korean, Vietnamese, and Iraqi people are pretty stupid if they go to war for no other reason besides Uncle Sam walking in and saying "okay, now everybody go to war".
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patchy



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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The US has a nasty habit of pitting people against one another, brother against brother for a made-up ideological reason that only the US benefits from -- this is what happened in Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq.


You must think that Korean, Vietnamese, and Iraqi people are pretty stupid if they go to war for no other reason besides Uncle Sam walking in and saying "okay, now everybody go to war".


Well, it's not a case of 'Uncle Sam [just] walking in and saying "okay, now everybody go to war"', is it?
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patchy



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shakuhachi wrote:
patchy wrote:
The US has a nasty habit of pitting people against one another, brother against brother for a made-up ideological reason that only the US benefits from -- this is what happened in Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq.

And then they wonder why the Iraqis won't take up arms enthusiastically and do the dirty work for the Americans.

Bush certainly miscalculated from the first. He thought he could start the war on Thursday and finish it on Sunday. Hence the name, "Shock and Awe". He thought all the lies he drummed up to justify the war would be forgiven or at the least overlooked when the Americans saw how quickly the war ended. Only it hasn't, and now Bush is squirming as people are asking questions, trying to find out why the war is still going on and why the bodybags are coming back in the thousands and not in the single digits.

And so Bush dissembles, to keep face, all the while as people are still dying: Iraqi (goodness knows how many, the racist Americans don't keep track of Iraqi casualties, they obviously don't count as human to make it worth their while doing that) and American. They are dying so that Bush can keep up the pretense that the war had to happen. But some people never bought it. They never felt in their bones that the US was under threat from Iraq. Where was the draft then? Where was the urgent patriotic call for all US men and women to come to the aid of their country and defend it - if the country was under such grave threat? No, only the poor from disenfranchised minorities, (even illegal immigrants) were sent out as only the lowliest of the low need risk their lives in this sham of a war.


Amazing. I just found out that I can be against the intervention in Iraq and also be disgusted at your anti Americanism at the same time.


So which part(s) of my post do you disagree with?
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